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Originally posted by Missy Missy wrote:

Loads of Irish nationals have used the provincial set up in 2 thirds of  Ulster to play for Ireland. The reason he hate James  is that he is an "uppity Taig" who does not know his place.
 thing players who choose Ireland over 2 thirds of a province I'd that they don't yo yo back and forth like young Dembele  between England and Scotland.
Oko-Flex is doing likewise with Ireland and England 
Do you believe James or Duffy think that they are Brits.


In English, please.......
"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss!"
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Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Originally posted by Missy Missy wrote:

Loads of Irish nationals have used the provincial set up in 2 thirds of  Ulster to play for Ireland. The reason he hate James  is that he is an "uppity Taig" who does not know his place.
 thing players who choose Ireland over 2 thirds of a province I'd that they don't yo yo back and forth like young Dembele  between England and Scotland.
Oko-Flex is doing likewise with Ireland and England 
Do you believe James or Duffy think that they are Brits.


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Did they think they were British when they represented a British team at underage level and stood for GSTQ? 
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you made my point Northern Ireland  like Scotland England and Wales are not countries they are  provinces of Britain not countries. You  dont  even have Passports your not citizens your subjects of the  crown.
There should be a British team playing in Wembley.
All opinions are my own and have f**k all to do with Mullingar RISSC CRISC Ticket Office or the FAI
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Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Originally posted by Missy Missy wrote:

Loads of Irish nationals have used the provincial set up in 2 thirds of  Ulster to play for Ireland. The reason he hate James  is that he is an "uppity Taig" who does not know his place.
 thing players who choose Ireland over 2 thirds of a province I'd that they don't yo yo back and forth like young Dembele  between England and Scotland.
Oko-Flex is doing likewise with Ireland and England 
Do you believe James or Duffy think that they are Brits.


In English, please.......

Sa Ghaeilge?

Anyhow the point is, James "Hates the f**kin Queen" McClean was offered a call-up for a senior, competitive NI international by Nigel Worthington, which he accepted.

And had Sunderland not swooped to sign him from Derry in the interim between call-up and game, he would have been tied to us. (I believe Niall Quinn had a word in his ear, to remind him that he was a Republican from the Creggan, which James had somehow forgotten).

Which was as lucky an escape for our team as for him! LOL


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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Theres no real recipe for your 'irishness' or any other nationality really anymore.

Granny rule players have been interchangeable in choosing ireland or england for example 

Players with irish parents seem more riable in choosing ireland over england however players like Harry Kane, whos parents are irish I believe has felt more english. (I struggle to imagine kane senior cheering for his son in an England kit and being an Irishman very strange, and I've lived in england since I was 8)

Obefemi, although born in ireland but has never really lived there, and with parents being both Nigerian born, feels irish... I'm really pleased he chose ireland as he's got really good potential but how he feels irish I really dont know... (to be clear, I'm not trying to question obefemi's right to be irish, I 100% support his right as he's a born Irishman but his ties to ireland seem more 'on paper' rather than anything else)

Harry Kane’s Irish connection is through his grandparents from Galway. Some Irish media outlets have reported that his father was Irish, but Kane confirmed earlier this year that his connection was through his grandparents.
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Originally posted by JohnSwift JohnSwift wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Theres no real recipe for your 'irishness' or any other nationality really anymore.

Granny rule players have been interchangeable in choosing ireland or england for example 

Players with irish parents seem more riable in choosing ireland over england however players like Harry Kane, whos parents are irish I believe has felt more english. (I struggle to imagine kane senior cheering for his son in an England kit and being an Irishman very strange, and I've lived in england since I was 8)

Obefemi, although born in ireland but has never really lived there, and with parents being both Nigerian born, feels irish... I'm really pleased he chose ireland as he's got really good potential but how he feels irish I really dont know... (to be clear, I'm not trying to question obefemi's right to be irish, I 100% support his right as he's a born Irishman but his ties to ireland seem more 'on paper' rather than anything else)

Harry Kane’s Irish connection is through his grandparents from Galway. Some Irish media outlets have reported that his father was Irish, but Kane confirmed earlier this year that his connection was through his grandparents.


Grandparents plural?

If his grandparents are Irish, how is their son a different nationality?
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Originally posted by Tony Cousins Tony Cousins wrote:

Originally posted by JohnSwift JohnSwift wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Theres no real recipe for your 'irishness' or any other nationality really anymore.

Granny rule players have been interchangeable in choosing ireland or england for example 

Players with irish parents seem more riable in choosing ireland over england however players like Harry Kane, whos parents are irish I believe has felt more english. (I struggle to imagine kane senior cheering for his son in an England kit and being an Irishman very strange, and I've lived in england since I was 8)

Obefemi, although born in ireland but has never really lived there, and with parents being both Nigerian born, feels irish... I'm really pleased he chose ireland as he's got really good potential but how he feels irish I really dont know... (to be clear, I'm not trying to question obefemi's right to be irish, I 100% support his right as he's a born Irishman but his ties to ireland seem more 'on paper' rather than anything else)

Harry Kane’s Irish connection is through his grandparents from Galway. Some Irish media outlets have reported that his father was Irish, but Kane confirmed earlier this year that his connection was through his grandparents.


Grandparents plural?

If his grandparents are Irish, how is their son a different nationality?

Yes, both grandparents.  Here's one article from earlier this year where Harry refers to his "nana and grandad":


However, that wouldn't mean that their English-born son (Harry's Dad) considers himself to be the same nationality.

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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/the-irish-lionheart-defending-england-1.270762

Very old article but Martin Keown speaks very well about his Irish and English identities. Speaks about lot of issues mentioned above. 
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Originally posted by PaddyDaCulchie PaddyDaCulchie wrote:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/the-irish-lionheart-defending-england-1.270762

Very old article but Martin Keown speaks very well about his Irish and English identities. Speaks about lot of issues mentioned above. 

I can't access the article myself, but I believe Martin's dad is from Fermanagh. So that since it became apparent that his son Niall wasn't likely to make it with the senior ROI team, both of them are open to representing NI:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/niall-keown-switches-allegiance-republic-12566623

And Martin himself does a lot of ambassadorial work for the IFA, I think through his tie-in with McDonalds?
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialIrishFA/videos/10154233291560830/

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copy and past the link, it's worth the read. Martin on about being Irish, adopting English culture as he grew up, his relatives not understanding how his father let him play for England. Its interesting article
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Originally posted by DalyerRegular DalyerRegular wrote:

Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

Originally posted by Andrew00 Andrew00 wrote:

Afolabi is reported to be in line for his Celtic debut against Hamilton on Wednesday after impressing Neil Lennon in training.

Yet another good Irish striker coming through 


Just scored

Great stuff...that won't do his chances any harm.
Had Connell and O'Connor starting there too with Okoflex and Coffey coming on off the bench.
Celtic Reserves are where the young Irish currently hang out and hopefully that Afolabi rumour is true and he's the first to break out.
Thomas Caffrey still there aswell?

Afolabi not in squad
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Originally posted by Missy Missy wrote:

Loads of Irish nationals have used the provincial set up in 2 thirds of  Ulster to play for Ireland. The reason he hate James  is that he is an "uppity Taig" who does not know his place.
 thing players who choose Ireland over 2 thirds of a province I'd that they don't yo yo back and forth like young Dembele  between England and Scotland.
Oko-Flex is doing likewise with Ireland and England 
Do you believe James or Duffy think that they are Brits.

In English, please.......
Sa Ghaeilge?

Anyhow the point is, James "Hates the f**kin Queen" McClean was offered a call-up for a senior, competitive NI international by Nigel Worthington, which he accepted.

And had Sunderland not swooped to sign him from Derry in the interim between call-up and game, he would have been tied to us. (I believe Niall Quinn had a word in his ear, to remind him that he was a Republican from the Creggan, which James had somehow forgotten).

Which was as lucky an escape for our team as for him! LOL
You believe incorrectly. McLean spoke to Quinn to contact the FAI on his behalf
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Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Originally posted by Missy Missy wrote:

Loads of Irish nationals have used the provincial set up in 2 thirds of  Ulster to play for Ireland. The reason he hate James  is that he is an "uppity Taig" who does not know his place.
 thing players who choose Ireland over 2 thirds of a province I'd that they don't yo yo back and forth like young Dembele  between England and Scotland.
Oko-Flex is doing likewise with Ireland and England 
Do you believe James or Duffy think that they are Brits.

In English, please.......
Sa Ghaeilge?

Anyhow the point is, James "Hates the f**kin Queen" McClean was offered a call-up for a senior, competitive NI international by Nigel Worthington, which he accepted.

And had Sunderland not swooped to sign him from Derry in the interim between call-up and game, he would have been tied to us. (I believe Niall Quinn had a word in his ear, to remind him that he was a Republican from the Creggan, which James had somehow forgotten).

Which was as lucky an escape for our team as for him! LOL
You believe incorrectly. McLean spoke to Quinn to contact the FAI on his behalf

Whatever the mechanism, the fact remains that after representing NI at under-age level several times, McClean (two c's btw) accepted his call up to a senior competitive fixture which would have tied him to us, before Sunderland signed him and he needed Quinn to make a phone call for him.
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why just pick on James there are loads of others 
All opinions are my own and have f**k all to do with Mullingar RISSC CRISC Ticket Office or the FAI
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

[QUOTE=Territorial][QUOTE=Mr. Snrub][QUOTE=Missy]L
You believe incorrectly. McLean spoke to Quinn to contact the FAI on his behalf

Whatever the mechanism, the fact remains that after representing NI at under-age level several times, McClean (two c's btw) accepted his call up to a senior competitive fixture which would have tied him to us, before Sunderland signed him and he needed Quinn to make a phone call for him.
You can have him back now if you'd like, we're finished with him....thanks for the lend Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Originally posted by Missy Missy wrote:

Loads of Irish nationals have used the provincial set up in 2 thirds of  Ulster to play for Ireland. The reason he hate James  is that he is an "uppity Taig" who does not know his place.
 thing players who choose Ireland over 2 thirds of a province I'd that they don't yo yo back and forth like young Dembele  between England and Scotland.
Oko-Flex is doing likewise with Ireland and England 
Do you believe James or Duffy think that they are Brits.

In English, please.......
Sa Ghaeilge?

Anyhow the point is, James "Hates the f**kin Queen" McClean was offered a call-up for a senior, competitive NI international by Nigel Worthington, which he accepted.

And had Sunderland not swooped to sign him from Derry in the interim between call-up and game, he would have been tied to us. (I believe Niall Quinn had a word in his ear, to remind him that he was a Republican from the Creggan, which James had somehow forgotten).

Which was as lucky an escape for our team as for him! LOL
You believe incorrectly. McLean spoke to Quinn to contact the FAI on his behalf

Whatever the mechanism, the fact remains that after representing NI at under-age level several times, McClean (two c's btw) accepted his call up to a senior competitive fixture which would have tied him to us, before Sunderland signed him and he needed Quinn to make a phone call for him.
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by tetsujin1979 tetsujin1979 wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

Originally posted by Missy Missy wrote:

Loads of Irish nationals have used the provincial set up in 2 thirds of  Ulster to play for Ireland. The reason he hate James  is that he is an "uppity Taig" who does not know his place.
 thing players who choose Ireland over 2 thirds of a province I'd that they don't yo yo back and forth like young Dembele  between England and Scotland.
Oko-Flex is doing likewise with Ireland and England 
Do you believe James or Duffy think that they are Brits.

In English, please.......
Sa Ghaeilge?

Anyhow the point is, James "Hates the f**kin Queen" McClean was offered a call-up for a senior, competitive NI international by Nigel Worthington, which he accepted.

And had Sunderland not swooped to sign him from Derry in the interim between call-up and game, he would have been tied to us. (I believe Niall Quinn had a word in his ear, to remind him that he was a Republican from the Creggan, which James had somehow forgotten).

Which was as lucky an escape for our team as for him! LOL
You believe incorrectly. McLean spoke to Quinn to contact the FAI on his behalf

Whatever the mechanism, the fact remains that after representing NI at under-age level several times, McClean (two c's btw) accepted his call up to a senior competitive fixture which would have tied him to us, before Sunderland signed him and he needed Quinn to make a phone call for him.

His presence in NI squads is irrelevant. Once it became evident that he could be good enough for the ROI, he was always going to accept a call-up. Niall McGinn, Paddy McCourt, Michel McGovern and plenty of other recent NI internationals would have made the same decision if they felt they were good enough, but they opted for the more pragmatic option. There's nothing wrong with that. As ROI fans, we know we've had our fair share of English-born players opt for us, as they realised they wouldn't get an England call-up and as such, it was a pragmatic decision.

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