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Topic: Underage squads: Best Prospects
Posted By: savo01
Subject: Underage squads: Best Prospects
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 3:38pm

Under 21 Squad

Gk Ian Lawlor 27 October 1994 (age 19) 2 0 England Manchester City

GK Justin Merz 27 September 1992 (age 21) 1 0 Germany Karlsruher SC

 DF Mason Watkins-Clark 1 January 1995 (age 19) 2 1 England Stoke City

 DF Jack Connors 24 October 1994 (age 19) 2 0 England Dagenham & Redbridge

 DF Bradley Garmston 18 January 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England West Bromwich Albion

 DF Shane Griffin 8 September 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Reading

 DF Pierce Sweeney 11 September 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Reading

 DF Sean Long 2 May 1995 (age 19) 1 0 England Reading

 DF Tommie Hoban 24 January 1994 (age 20) 1 0 England Watford

 DF Eoghan O'Connell 13 August 1995 (age 19) 0 0 Scotland Celtic

 MF Jack Grealish 10 September 1995 (age 19) 6 1 England Aston Villa

MF Kenneth McEvoy 4 September 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Peterborough United

MF Jack Byrne 24 April 1996 (age 18) 2 0 England Manchester City

MF Darragh Lenihan 16 March 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Blackburn Rovers

 FW Kieran Sadlier 14 September 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England West Ham United

FW Conor Wilkinson 23 January 1995 (age 19) 2 0 England Bolton Wanderers

FW Sam Byrne  23 July 1995 (age 19) 1 0 England Everton

 Recent call ups

DF Kevin Feely 30 August 1992 (age 22) 1 0 Wales Newport County v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

DF Brian Lenihan 8 June 1994 (age 20) 1 0 England Hull City v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

DF Bradley Lewis 24 January 1995 (age 19) 1 0 England Aston Villa v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

MF Will Hayhurst 24 February 1994 (age 20) 3 0 England Preston North End v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

MF Luke Gallagher 29 July 1994 (age 20) 1 0 England Burnley v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

FW Michael Drennan 2 February 1994 (age 20) 2 0 England Aston Villa v.  Qatar, 24 May 2014

 

Under 19 Squad

1 Eric Grimes 4 February 1995 (age 19) England Leeds United 4 (0)

16 Shane Fagan 23 February 1995 (age 19) Republic of Ireland Shamrock Rovers 2 (0)

Defenders

4 Steven Smith 19 April 1994 (age 20) England Leicester City 3 (0)

5 Pierce Sweeney (c) 11 September 1994 (age 20) England Reading 5 (0)

2 Noe Baba 8 August 1996 (age 18) England Fulham 4 (0)

18 Sean Long 2 May 1995 (age 19) England Reading 0 (0)

15 Shane Griffin 8 September 1994 (age 20) England Reading 6 (0)

 Evan Finnegan 5 August 1995 (age 19) Free Agent 3 (0)

Midfielders

11 Sean Kavanagh 20 January 1994 (age 20) England Fulham 0 (0)

13 Carel Tiofack 20 May 1994 (age 20) Spain Cádiz CF 1 (0)

10 Luke Gallagher 29 July 1994 (age 20) England Burnley 7 (0)

7 Kenneth McEvoy 4 September 1994 (age 20) England Tottenham Hotspur 0 (0)

3 Bradley Garmston 18 January 1994 (age 20) England West Bromwich Albion 8 (0)

6 Brandon Miele 28 August 1994 (age 20) England Newcastle United 6 (0)

17 Will Hayhurst 24 February 1994 (age 20) England Preston North End 1 (0)

14 Adam Evans 3 May 1994 (age 20) England Burnley 1 (0)

Forwards

8 Kieran Sadlier 14 September 1994 (age 20) England West Ham United 7 (1)

9 Sam Byrne 23 July 1995 (age 19) England Manchester United 5 (3)

12 Sean Maguire 1 May 1994 (age 20) England West Ham United 3 (0)



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Jackie Charlton, Eoin Hand
Johnny Giles. Ireland
Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton
Cascarino
Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn
Packie doesn't let em in
North of Ireland
South of Ireland
Only one can go



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Posted By: savo01
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 3:39pm
Above is a list of our Under 19 and Under 21 squads from Wikipedia.  The Under 19 one is from last year.  I know a few of the names but does anyone rate or seen many of the guys in the squads?  I think O'Connell looks a good prospect at Celtic but like so many I fear for him getting a proper chance. 

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Jackie Charlton, Eoin Hand
Johnny Giles. Ireland
Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton
Cascarino
Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn
Packie doesn't let em in
North of Ireland
South of Ireland
Only one can go


Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 3:43pm
That Grealish looks promising - Should really have his own thread !!!

Seriously though, both Sean Long and Shane Griffin have been in and around the Reading first team squad this season and Long played in the last round of the league cup so maybe they might get a look in at some point.


Posted By: savo01
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 3:44pm
Here's the Under 17 squad.  Is this the best chance of a prospect given few seem to make it from Under 21 squads? 
 

Under 17 Squad

1 GK Peter Burke 3 March 1996 (age 18)  England Sunderland

16 GK Harry Doherty 29 March 1996 (age 18)  England Charlton Athletic

 

3 DF Bobby Moseley 7 March 1996 (age 18)  England Birmingham City

4 DF Robin Dempsey 1 February 1996 (age 18)  England Aston Villa

5 DF Daniel Cleary 9 March 1996 (age 18)  England Liverpool

13 DF Dylan Barnett 5 December 1996 (age 17)  England Brighton

14 DF Pierce Mitchell 4 May 1996 (age 18)  England Bristol City

 DF Noe Baba 8 August 1996 (age 18)  England Fulham

 DF Ryan Rainey 11 October 1996 (age 17)  England Wolverhampton Wanderers

 DF Liam Traynor 25 March 1996 (age 18)  Republic of Ireland UCD

 

6 MF Craig Donnellan 12 June 1996 (age 18)  Republic of Ireland Cork City

7 MF Dean O'Halloran 2 January 1996 (age 18)  England Fulham

8 MF Cody Mulhall 25 August 1996 (age 18)  

10 MF Jack Byrne 24 April 1996 (age 18)  England Manchester City

11 MF Jake Mulraney 5 April 1996 (age 18)  England Nottingham Forest

12 MF Connor Dimaio 28 January 1996 (age 18)  England Sheffield United

15 MF Cian Kavanagh 16 September 1996 (age 17)  Republic of Ireland St. Kevin Boys

17 MF Henry Charsley 1 November 1996 (age 17)  England Everton

18 MF Reece Grego-Cox 12 November 1996 (age 17)  England Queens Park Rangers

 MF Val Feeney 12 January 1996 (age 18)  Republic of Ireland Limerick

 MF Cory Galvin 10 January 1996 (age 18)  

 

9 FW Eoghan Stokes 17 May 1996 (age 18)  England Leeds United

 FW Stephen Confrey 21 October 1996 (age 17)  



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Jackie Charlton, Eoin Hand
Johnny Giles. Ireland
Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton
Cascarino
Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn
Packie doesn't let em in
North of Ireland
South of Ireland
Only one can go


Posted By: Trapcandoit
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 3:45pm
 Looking forward to watching Garmson again.  Looks a very dangerous left-back and has some severe pace on him.  The mother's an olympic medalist (going by his wiki page).

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Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 3:49pm
Is Kieran Sadlier related to Richie? Who was Tiofack with before? I know the name.

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Posted By: Doyler1993
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 3:54pm
u21
Grealish
Hoban
Lawlor
Mcevoy
Byrne
B.Lenihan
Long

u19
Sweeney 
Baba
Hayhurst 
Sadlier

U17
Cleary
O'Halloran
Dimaio
Charsley
Grego Cox

In my opinion and from what ive heard these seem to be the more promising lads. 

Also on a side note both Cleary and O hanlon scored today for liverpool in their uefa youth league game against ludogrets


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Posted By: savo01
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 3:56pm
Tiofack is playing for Limerick now.

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Jackie Charlton, Eoin Hand
Johnny Giles. Ireland
Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton
Cascarino
Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn
Packie doesn't let em in
North of Ireland
South of Ireland
Only one can go


Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

Tiofack is playing for Limerick now.
Have placed him now, thanks. 


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Posted By: Trapcandoit
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by Doyler1993 Doyler1993 wrote:

u21
Grealish
Hoban
Lawlor
Mcevoy
Byrne
B.Lenihan
Long

u19
Sweeney 
Baba
Hayhurst 
Sadlier

U17
Cleary
O'Halloran
Dimaio
Charsley
Grego Cox

In my opinion and from what ive heard these seem to be the more promising lads. 

Also on a side note both Cleary and O hanlon scored today for liverpool in their uefa youth league game against ludogrets

  Have you heard much on Garmston Doyler?


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5 goals to go Robbie!


Posted By: Doyler1993
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:15pm
He was playing in their pre season friendlies and also went to america with the first team squad as well. Thought he might be on the bench for a few matches but maybe needs another loan before he makes any impact with west brom. Looks a good prospect and definitely has the pace to develop into an excellent full back 

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Posted By: Trapcandoit
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by Doyler1993 Doyler1993 wrote:

He was playing in their pre season friendlies and also went to america with the first team squad as well. Thought he might be on the bench for a few matches but maybe needs another loan before he makes any impact with west brom. Looks a good prospect and definitely has the pace to develop into an excellent full back 

  Cheers. Apologies if I'm banging on too much about him but he is a left-backThumbs Up


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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:40pm
The best ive seen are, 
Jack Byrne like a young Paul Scholes, unreal passer of the ball, heard he lacks discipline 

Eoghan O'Connell looks very composed on the ball for so young

Kenny McEvoy, very quick looks like and plays a bit like Bale

O Hanlon, another nippy winger heard hes very disciplined 

Sam Byrne looks like a good striker surprised Utd let him go looks to have real good quality and can strike a ball 

Grealish obiously looks the part so far glides by players like there not there

Lawlor is goin to have a big future imo looks like he could be our best keeper since Given 


Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:41pm
I hope I am wrong about O'Connell but he severely lacks pace. Next Darren O'Dea at best 

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Posted By: BigStrongMan
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:49pm
Eoghan Stokes Leeds Utd he's 18 and looks a good prospect

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Posted By: rainpaulo
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by Clonbhoy Clonbhoy wrote:

I hope I am wrong about O'Connell but he severely lacks pace. Next Darren O'Dea at best 


O Dea has never let Ireland down to be fair.


Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by rainpaulo rainpaulo wrote:

Originally posted by Clonbhoy Clonbhoy wrote:

I hope I am wrong about O'Connell but he severely lacks pace. Next Darren O'Dea at best 


O Dea has never let Ireland down to be fair.
He is also terrible though. I really like the lad, he has tried different things, gave his all for Ireland and Celtic but is a liability.


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Posted By: rainpaulo
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 6:08pm
Well people seem to think he is bad...and his club situation echoes that I suppose...BUT anytime I've seen him play for club or country he has always given a good account of himself ....maybe Sledge syndrome.


Posted By: danger here
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 7:56pm

Originally posted by Clonbhoy Clonbhoy wrote:

Is Kieran Sadlier related to Richie? Who was Tiofack with before? I know the name.

According to the internets of Twatter: not related no but we have spoken recently about it



Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 8:08pm
Originally posted by danger here danger here wrote:

Originally posted by Clonbhoy Clonbhoy wrote:

Is Kieran Sadlier related to Richie? Who was Tiofack with before? I know the name.

According to the internets of Twatter: not related no but we have spoken recently about it

what does that mean? They want to become related?


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Posted By: engpad
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 10:06pm
Anyone hazard a guess on who the next player to make their debut for Ireland will be? (Bar Grealish as think he'll be odds on if he declares)


Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 10:08pm
Add Alan Browne to that list playing for Preston regularly at 19 and scored for them tonight .


Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 10:09pm
Reckon it could be Eoghan O'Connell if he keeps getting game time at Celtic .


Posted By: Doyler1993
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 10:21pm
Think lawlor could be one of the next to make his debut due to our current goalkeeping situation. Out of the outfield players bar grealish i think browne, hoban, or maybe sean long as he can play left back and has made his debut for reading this season and is a regular on the bench for them.




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Posted By: rainpaulo
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 10:39pm
Lawlor needs to go out on loan now for real live game experience .


Posted By: thebronze14
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

Tiofack is playing for Limerick now.
He's playing for Harps now and he's not very good


Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

Reckon it could be Eoghan O'Connell if he keeps getting game time at Celtic .
I would be surprised.


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Posted By: Richmond Ultra
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 1:35am
Tiofack played underage with Ballincollig, went to Ipswich and a few other clubs, moved to Spain and is now an unused sub most weeks with Harps.

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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 9:59am
Lawlor is away with the City senior squad for tonights match instead of the U19s Champions League, along with one other development player Pozo


Posted By: savo01
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 10:36am
O'Connell looks decent and looks to have decent vision. If he lacks pace as Clonbhoy reckons maybe a holding midfielder is the best option for him. Personally I think he could be a good centre half given game time. John Terry was never the quickest and hasn't done too badly.

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Jackie Charlton, Eoin Hand
Johnny Giles. Ireland
Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton
Cascarino
Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn
Packie doesn't let em in
North of Ireland
South of Ireland
Only one can go


Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 11:36am
Originally posted by Richmond Ultra Richmond Ultra wrote:

Tiofack played underage with Ballincollig, went to Ipswich and a few other clubs, moved to Spain and is now an unused sub most weeks with Harps.
Yeah, remember hearing about Cork. Had a reputation but seems to have lost his way.


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Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 11:38am
Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

O'Connell looks decent and looks to have decent vision. If he lacks pace as Clonbhoy reckons maybe a holding midfielder is the best option for him. Personally I think he could be a good centre half given game time. John Terry was never the quickest and hasn't done too badly.
True, but he is unbelievably slow. He turns like the titanic. I would love a Cork lad to establish himself at Celtic but I struggle to see it. Deila had a look at him and brought in Denayer who is roughly the same age.


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Posted By: 085immersive
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 1:07pm
Some of these players are really good. Problem is we have had plenty players who were as good at the same age but it never happened. All was good until it came to breaking into first teams and nine and a half times out of ten it didn't happen. Conor Clifford being one example. He was as good as people said, that was fact, but look what happened. Players need to get out on loan and play regular.


Posted By: BrendanD88
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 1:20pm
Jack Byrne is one of the most talented in that list of players, Man City have an excellent academy so hope he takes his chance.


Posted By: BigStrongMan
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 1:34pm
Jack Byrne starts v Munich today in Youth CL
He ran amok against these last season in it

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Posted By: BigStrongMan
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Lawlor is away with the City senior squad for tonights match instead of the U19s Champions League, along with one other development player Pozo
Pozo is playing today in Youth CL

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Posted By: PaulMcGrath5
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Jack Byrne starts v Munich today in Youth CL
He ran amok against these last season in it

And he has scored today


Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by PaulMcGrath5 PaulMcGrath5 wrote:

Originally posted by BigStrongMan BigStrongMan wrote:

Jack Byrne starts v Munich today in Youth CL
He ran amok against these last season in it

And he has scored today

Lovely goal. Angelino cross to far post, nodded back by Ambrose and gorgeous shift of feet by Byrne to create his own space and finish


Posted By: BabbsBalls
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 2:14pm
Good for him . Decent standard at that age obviously

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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 2:34pm
Thats good stuff from Irish lads in youth Champions league this week, Dan Cleary scored for Liverpool centre half and it was from an Alex O'Hanlon cross who also got one and now Byrne with a goal, also Dan Crowley got an assist today for Arsenal against Dortmund, good signs for the future .


Posted By: BabbsBalls
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 2:35pm
Yeah heard O' Hanlon is good . Anybody see him play ?

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Posted By: savo01
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 3:01pm
Citeh may have a great youth set up but no players are coming through or given a chance.  Hart is the only one that comes close and even he was bought at a young age.  Richards was England right back in 2007 but couldn't get a game for 2 years!  Guidetti is highly rated yet never started a game for Citeh's first team!

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Jackie Charlton, Eoin Hand
Johnny Giles. Ireland
Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton
Cascarino
Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn
Packie doesn't let em in
North of Ireland
South of Ireland
Only one can go


Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

Citeh may have a great youth set up but no players are coming through or given a chance.  Hart is the only one that comes close and even he was bought at a young age.  Richards was England right back in 2007 but couldn't get a game for 2 years!  Guidetti is highly rated yet never started a game for Citeh's first team!

Its gonna be hard for anyone to come through and make it i agree. But the new academy is now opened and the club have repeatedly said that the emphasis will be on developing their own players now as opposed to spending big. Suppose they have to do that with FFP 
A few sought after youngsters - 14,15,16 year olds from all over the world were signed by City recently and are in the academy. Always hard to tell how many will come through though at that age. 

Byrne was taken off after 61 minutes today with City 3-0 up

 




Posted By: Clonbhoy
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

Citeh may have a great youth set up but no players are coming through or given a chance.  Hart is the only one that comes close and even he was bought at a young age.  Richards was England right back in 2007 but couldn't get a game for 2 years!  Guidetti is highly rated yet never started a game for Citeh's first team!

Its gonna be hard for anyone to come through and make it i agree. But the new academy is now opened and the club have repeatedly said that the emphasis will be on developing their own players now as opposed to spending big. Suppose they have to do that with FFP 
A few sought after youngsters - 14,15,16 year olds from all over the world were signed by City recently and are in the academy. Always hard to tell how many will come through though at that age. 

Byrne was taken off after 61 minutes today with City 3-0 up

 


Not having a go at City because they all do it. But that is so wrong, on so many levels


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Posted By: BigStrongMan
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2014 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by BabbsBalls BabbsBalls wrote:

Yeah heard O' Hanlon is good . Anybody see him play ?
saw him play v Serbia u19s,he was awful that day but so where all the Irish team bar Sam Byrne

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Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2014 at 2:29pm
Byrne's goal here, and he's interviewed at the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDlx9ckmFmU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDlx9ckmFmU




Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2014 at 2:48pm
Heres the Liverpool highlights, check out the goal made in Dublin between Cleary and O'Hanlon super stuff from both, O'Hanlon looks a talent .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4WIOrRcDFo



Posted By: Roberto Baggio
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2014 at 3:00pm
what point in the video is that goal Dubstep? in work so no sound here


Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2014 at 3:08pm
around 5 mins 40 seconds, 


Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 7:51pm
http://youtu.be/s_m4k5Iyw3s

O'Hanson running amuck for Liverpool U 21s him and Byrne look like the 2 most technically gifted players coming through in a long time hope they can get a loan move next season play a bit of senior football.


Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 7:57pm
This Croskery kid off Utd looks sh*t hot aswel . 2 goals the other day . He's from the North but is a Catholic. FAI need to get onto the kid http://youtu.be/dduFvwZzeKE




Posted By: irelandfan
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 8:49pm
Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

This Croskery kid off Utd looks sh*t hot aswel . 2 goals the other day . He's from the North but is a Catholic. FAI need to get onto the kid http://youtu.be/dduFvwZzeKE



I think that tied of players from the north is finished now tbh Ferguson, Mcnair etc players which many would have felt would have committed to us are sticking to the north. 


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Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 8:57pm
Originally posted by irelandfan irelandfan wrote:

Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

This Croskery kid off Utd looks sh*t hot aswel . 2 goals the other day . He's from the North but is a Catholic. FAI need to get onto the kid http://youtu.be/dduFvwZzeKE



I think that tied of players from the north is finished now tbh Ferguson, Mcnair etc players which many would have felt would have committed to us are sticking to the north. 


Hardly, people haven't just stopped considering themselves Irish..... McNair stuck with the north for reasons that would be fairly obvious to anyone with a bit of common sense and Ferguson seems to have stuck with them as career choice, which is looking like a good decision considering he'd be nowhere near our squad yet is still a fairly important player for them.


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Posted By: irelandfan
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 9:21pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by irelandfan irelandfan wrote:

Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

This Croskery kid off Utd looks sh*t hot aswel . 2 goals the other day . He's from the North but is a Catholic. FAI need to get onto the kid http://youtu.be/dduFvwZzeKE



I think that tied of players from the north is finished now tbh Ferguson, Mcnair etc players which many would have felt would have committed to us are sticking to the north. 


Hardly, people haven't just stopped considering themselves Irish..... McNair stuck with the north for reasons that would be fairly obvious to anyone with a bit of common sense and Ferguson seems to have stuck with them as career choice, which is looking like a good decision considering he'd be nowhere near our squad yet is still a fairly important player for them.
ConfusedConfused



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Posted By: irelandfan
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 9:23pm
Paddy Mcnair from Ballyclare fair enough.  I still think with Michael O'Neill the manager others might not be as willing as Gibson, Duffy, Wilson, Mcclean were. 

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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 9:31pm
It's up to the player who they represent in all fairness no one puts a gun to there head.


Posted By: keith3307
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 10:09pm
Thomas Mc Dermott a young goalkeeper from Derry at Spurs was recently called up to one of our youth squads.


Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 12:12am
Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

This Croskery kid off Utd looks sh*t hot aswel . 2 goals the other day . He's from the North but is a Catholic. FAI need to get onto the kid http://youtu.be/dduFvwZzeKE


"He's a Catholic, so he should play for ROI"

Thank Christ our team is mixed, otherwise we'd be called bigoted...


Posted By: JAVIER
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 2:15am
Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by dubstep dubstep wrote:

This Croskery kid off Utd looks sh*t hot aswel . 2 goals the other day . He's from the North but is a Catholic. FAI need to get onto the kid http://youtu.be/dduFvwZzeKE


"He's a Catholic, so he should play for ROI"

Thank Christ our team is mixed, otherwise we'd be called bigoted...

I assume you are nothern irish       

now i can wrap this up i mean your scapegoat behaviour and the follow-up mannerisms against democracy .  

Long live Juan Domingo "the french" Peròn


Posted By: smart man
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 10:34am
With the U/16 U/17 and the home based U/18 squad all playing games around this time. I think the FAI are doing all they can to find new talent. I know not everyone will agree but look at the expense of three international teams playing. The managers will work with the players and it's not going to happen over night. Also players are now been selected from all over the country not just from the DDSL.

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Posted By: deise
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 12:32pm
From what I'm hearing some of these selections in Irish underage teams have the usual politics playing behind them, that came from people involved in the fai scene not always the best that get selected.

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Posted By: Croftman
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2015 at 11:57am
There's a young lad on the Under 15's, Glen McAuley, who's over with Liverpool I think. Saw him a few of Under 15 games this season and looks very good technically and is a good finisher. The captain, an O'Connor chap from Waterford, looks to have potential too.


Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2015 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:


No one is saying that being a Catholic means he'll definitely consider
himself Irish or vice versa for a Protestant, but that fact combined
with his first name being Ruairi at least means there's an above average
chance that he does.
That wasn't my point.

Rather it is that the implication was that if a player is Catholic, then the FAI should approach him.

Which implies that if a player is a Prod (or has a Prod name), then the FAI shouldn't.

How discriminatory is that? I daresay if you asked the FAI, they would bleat that they're "open to all", yet the record shows that they only ever approach Catholic players.

Worse still, it's no thanks to the FAI that many Catholic players stick with NI, but if that were not the case, it would ultimately lead to there being two international teams in Ireland, the Prod one (IFA) and the Taig one (FAI).

Then again, maybe you lot don't care about that...

Meanwhile, we're the ones who get called "bigots".   

P.S. People from NI are "Irish", too - even the Prods, shock horror - so you have no monopoly on that description.


Posted By: IrishLegend7
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2015 at 5:29pm
Back on topic, Caoimhin Kelleher from u17s is quality. Has Liverpool Arsenal Man City United Villa all offering him deals lovely lad to really down to Earth


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2015 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:


No one is saying that being a Catholic means he'll definitely consider
himself Irish or vice versa for a Protestant, but that fact combined
with his first name being Ruairi at least means there's an above average
chance that he does.
That wasn't my point.

Rather it is that the implication was that if a player is Catholic, then the FAI should approach him.

Which implies that if a player is a Prod (or has a Prod name), then the FAI shouldn't.

How discriminatory is that? I daresay if you asked the FAI, they would bleat that they're "open to all", yet the record shows that they only ever approach Catholic players.

Worse still, it's no thanks to the FAI that many Catholic players stick with NI, but if that were not the case, it would ultimately lead to there being two international teams in Ireland, the Prod one (IFA) and the Taig one (FAI).

Then again, maybe you lot don't care about that...

Meanwhile, we're the ones who get called "bigots".   

P.S. People from NI are "Irish", too - even the Prods, shock horror - so you have no monopoly on that description.


Thats not the FAI's policy though.... They couldn't give a cr*p what a persons religious background is, if they're good enough and want to play for us then the FAI will be happy to have them. I don't care either for matter.... Come on now, are you really gonna try and paint the FAI out to be the bigots, that's quite preposterous, the IFA have improved a lot on that front in recent years, but they're still miles ahead in the "bigot league". The fact that they're constantly harping on about "Catholic" and "Protestant" players shows that, no one has the slightest clue about the religious background of Ireland's players on the other hand... And I never said you weren't Irish, you can be Irish if you so choose to be, but I'd wager a bet that you identify more closely as British or "Northern" Irish. Btw, if you're going to try and accuse someone else of being a bigot, you might want to omit terms such as "Taig" in future....


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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2015 at 6:43pm
Catholic players usually identify as Irish that's the only reason I said that. I would love Prod players to play in fact an all Ireland team similar to the rugby one would be great imagine the likes of Steve Davis and Johnny Evans in the team we would have a much better side. Unfortunately I can't see it happening any time soon and I can't see any prod players playing for us as they have no desire I'd imagine . Can't blame Catholic players for wanting to play for us look what happened Neil Lennon.


Posted By: RKeane
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2015 at 6:58pm
Originally posted by Croftman Croftman wrote:

There's a young lad on the Under 15's, Glen McAuley, who's over with Liverpool I think. Saw him a few of Under 15 games this season and looks very good technically and is a good finisher. The captain, an O'Connor chap from Waterford, looks to have potential too.


I heard he scored 70+ goals in one season for Kilnamanagh


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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2015 at 7:53pm
Seen a few goals he scored for Ireland's u 15s . He looks 2 footed and his goals were top draw looks very good.


Posted By: MayoMark
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2015 at 10:24am
Looking forward to seeing how Jason Hunt gets on with the U18 home squad in Wales. An absolutely beautiful footballer with bags of potential. Have worked with him at U17/U18 level for nearly 3 years. He played 90 mins for us in the FAI Youth Cup Final in 2013, he was only 15 at the time, and he was well within his element then. Here's hoping

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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 2:11pm
Harry Charlsley scored one for Everton U18 as they beat Liverpool 5-0 at Finch Farm. He's having a good season in that age group and has turned out for the U21 side also. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kufa2Km1DQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kufa2Km1DQ

Sam Allardyce has mentioned midfielder Josh Cullen (acaemy player of the year) as a player that could step-up to the first team this season.  http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/west-ham/west_ham_boss_looks_for_youngsters_to_step_up_1_3727733" rel="nofollow - http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/west-ham/west_ham_boss_looks_for_youngsters_to_step_up_1_3727733

Cullen is in the Ireland U19 squad this week.


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Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:


No one is saying that being a Catholic means he'll definitely consider
himself Irish or vice versa for a Protestant, but that fact combined
with his first name being Ruairi at least means there's an above average
chance that he does.
That wasn't my point.

Rather it is that the implication was that if a player is Catholic, then the FAI should approach him.

Which implies that if a player is a Prod (or has a Prod name), then the FAI shouldn't.

How discriminatory is that? I daresay if you asked the FAI, they would bleat that they're "open to all", yet the record shows that they only ever approach Catholic players.

Worse still, it's no thanks to the FAI that many Catholic players stick with NI, but if that were not the case, it would ultimately lead to there being two international teams in Ireland, the Prod one (IFA) and the Taig one (FAI).

Then again, maybe you lot don't care about that...

Meanwhile, we're the ones who get called "bigots".   

P.S. People from NI are "Irish", too - even the Prods, shock horror - so you have no monopoly on that description.


Thats not the FAI's policy though.... They couldn't give a cr*p what a persons religious background is, if they're good enough and want to play for us then the FAI will be happy to have them. I don't care either for matter.... Come on now, are you really gonna try and paint the FAI out to be the bigots, that's quite preposterous, the IFA have improved a lot on that front in recent years, but they're still miles ahead in the "bigot league".
"That's not the FAI's policy though".

It is a fact that every single player who has been approached has been Catholic.

Seems a pretty clear policy to me.

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

The fact that [the IFA are] constantly harping on about "Catholic" and "Protestant" players shows that, no one has the slightest clue about the religious background of Ireland's players on the other hand...
Since when has anyone in the IFA ever been "constantly harping on" about "Catholic" and "Protestant" players?

Maybe you mean eg Michael O'Neill, or his big buddy Jim Magilton, or Gerry Armstrong, the man charged with identifying the barriers which may be deterring some young players form opting for NI?

Or half the team?

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Btw, if you're going to try and accuse someone else of being a bigot, you might want to omit terms such as "Taig" in future....
Er, you don't do Irony, do you?

But maybe you're right, perhaps I should have used the terms "Hun" and "Taig", to reflect the implications which flow from the FAI's clearly discriminatory recruitment policy. That way, no-one would be left in any doubt...

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

And I never said you weren't Irish, you can be Irish if you so choose to be, but I'd wager a bet that you identify more closely as British or "Northern" Irish.
I am British - it says so on my Passport. I am also Irish, it's obvious the moment I open my mouth. I am equally proud of both.

But if you were to ask me how I most closely define myself, I would simply say I'm Northern Irish (no need for " "s round the Northern, btw)

As such, I object to the FAI's apparent belief that theirs is the "true" or "real" Ireland football team of that name, something which FIFA explicitly told them was not the case, indeed reserving that privilege for the IFA (when not playing in competition where they might encounter the FAI representative team).

Then again, why should we be surprised at the FAI wishing to steal that, too?


Posted By: Doyler1993
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 5:21pm
Jack Charlton's ground-breaking exploits were supposed to serve as the catalyst for a home-grown breed to follow in the footsteps of a side that was heavily influenced by shrewd use of eligibility rules.

This narrative accompanied Brian Kerr's historic European U-16 and U-18 Championship wins in 1998, teams dominated by lads who were in primary school during the glory days.

Subsequently, the emergence of senior internationals from Waterford, Wexford, Tipperary and Donegal was cited as evidence of a regional spread arising from the major tournament buzz. We had Duff, Dunne and Robbie Keane too.

The tantalising hope was that the generation born after Italia '90 would come along and carry the torch with distinction. We could be waiting for a while.

As the first crop of '90s kids move steadily towards the prime of their career, just three established members of Martin O'Neill's squad are from that category. James McCarthy, who came into the world in November 1990, is the only guaranteed starter. Robbie Brady and Jeff Hendrick, both of whom turned 23 last month, are steadily making their presence felt.

Who else is there? Cyrus Christie (1992) made a good impression on his debut in November and looks like becoming a fixture around the group while Shane Duffy (1992) is on the fringes. Brian Lenihan (1994) and Ian Lawlor (1994) were called into the seniors to have a look but they've a long way to go.

Damning

This is a worryingly small group, and what's particularly damning is that McCarthy, Christie and Duffy grew up in a different jurisdiction.

Brady and Hendrick are flying the flag for the home-grown brigade and they are a good distance ahead of their peers with O'Neill short of options from a sluggish production line. He inherited this problem.

Unfortunately, there's no evidence of a flood of emerging talent waiting to bring the average age down. If Jack Grealish (of 1995 fame) committed he'd be in with a chance - let's not go there today - and Watford's Tommie Hoban (1994) is a contender. Again, it's telling that this duo were raised across the water.

QPR's recent purchase from Galway, Ryan Manning (1996), has a fan base that rates him highly yet it seems unfair to heap expectation on the handful tipped for the leap simply because the absence of alternatives sharpens the focus. Former great white hope Conor Clifford, now on loan at Conference dwellers Barnet from League Two Southend, might relate to that sentiment.

This is why the encouraging soundings about a collection of starlets born in 1998 have to be treated cautiously. There needs to be more than one or two making headlines; strength in numbers is what constitutes a well-prepared generation.

World champions Germany had 11 '90s babies in their squad for the November friendly with Spain although their extraordinary resources mean Irish eyes must look elsewhere for a fair comparison.

Up the road, there's Northern Ireland who have defied all expectations by flying out of the blocks in their Euros race with a youthful dressing room; ten of Michael O'Neill's original selection for their last outing in Romania were born in the Britpop era.

Granted, a dearth of options has led to the ex-Shamrock Rovers manager looking at inexperienced performers that wouldn't get anywhere near the other O'Neill's panel but the simple fact is they are gaining knowledge that will stand to this group. South of the border, the emergence of a Paddy McNair type at a leading Premier League force would be very welcome.

Poland, who come to Dublin next month as group leaders, named ten products of the '90s in their party for the November trip to Georgia.

Iceland, a modest football nation with a league of similar standard to ours, have capped 19 youngsters from that age bracket in the last 12 months. They're second in their qualifying group and almost made the World Cup.

The list goes on. Everywhere you look, national teams are benefiting from an injection of fresh blood. Ireland, on the other hand, are becoming a very old side reliant on the late bloomers that are a feature of the current environment.

Seamus Coleman is a typical example, winning his first cap at U-21 level after growing up on the bruising League of Ireland stage.

It is seven years since the FAI went Dutch and appointed Wim Koevermans to oversee technical direction.

He was replaced by Ruud Dokter in 2013 and the latter's upcoming Technical Development Plan will outline his vision although he's learned about the idiosyncrasies of the football family in his attempts to complete the blueprint.

Dokter said after his arrival that it may take 10 or 15 years for some of his ideas to bear fruit, an observation which didn't exactly paint the previous decade in a flattering light. History will be unkind to the manner in which the Irish game reacted to its first taste of international success.

Competition from other sports doesn't cut it as an acceptable excuse when strong participation levels - which do hint at good grass-roots work - are considered.

Elite development is key and the transition to the 21st century has been painfully slow. If we're relying on the millennium cubs to raise the bar then a challenging period lies over the horizon.

 


Not a good sign at all and as I have pointed out on one of the threads already over half of our u19/21 squads are made up of english born players with the best players from u19/21 usually english born as well. 



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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 9:26pm
Although the FAI certainly depends too much on 2nd/3rd genners or British clubs to develop Irish talent, I think the best of our under 21/19 age groups are definitely Irish-born or reared. A very decent side off the top of my head - 

Ian Lawlor (Man City)

Brian Lenihan (Hull City)
Pierce Sweeney (Reading)
Eoghan O'Connell (Celtic)
Sean Kavanagh (Fulham)

Jack Byrne (Man City)
Alan Browne (Preston)

Ryan Manning (QPR)
Joel Coustrain (Sheffield United)
Dylan Connolly (Ipswich)

Eoghan Stokes (Leeds)

Now, they may not be the best in the world, but they are pretty much the best that we have. Only Grealish, Hoban, Grego-Cox, maybe Garmston would be better of the English-born lads.




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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 9:35pm
Add Sam Byrne (Everton) and Kenny McEvoy (Spurs), Alex O'Hanlon and Daniel Cleary (Liverpool) to that list .Hopefully a few can make the breakthrough, I have high hopes for Byrne and O'Hanlon 2 very good technically assured players


Posted By: SimonCox
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 10:40pm
"This is why the encouraging soundings about a collection of starlets born in 1998 have to be treated cautiously."

Who are these players??


Posted By: GreenDodger93
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 10:55pm
I'd have reservations about Pierce Sweeney and O'Hanlon


Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 10:59pm
O'Hanlon has a sweet left foot and passing range I havent seen by an Irish 18 year old in a long time, lacking a bit of pace but if he keeps developing he will be a top top player imo.


Posted By: Doyler1993
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 11:00pm
I think the best chances of new players are through hoban, murray, carruthers, williams, grealish, duffy  and browne with 6/7 of these being born outside the country.   Byrne lawlor mcevoy o hanlon and cleary could all make but haven't proved it above youth team level yet. 

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Posted By: RKeane
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2015 at 11:06pm
The granny rule is disgraceful, Only players who are fully committed to Ireland should be allowed represent us. It's a shame when a English reject get a cap ahead of a irishman who would love nothing more than to represent his country, it does not matter who is more talented. Irish should play for Ireland, English play for England. Some players have never even step foot in the country including Christie.

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Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 1:17am
Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:


No one is saying that being a Catholic means he'll definitely consider
himself Irish or vice versa for a Protestant, but that fact combined
with his first name being Ruairi at least means there's an above average
chance that he does.
That wasn't my point.

Rather it is that the implication was that if a player is Catholic, then the FAI should approach him.

Which implies that if a player is a Prod (or has a Prod name), then the FAI shouldn't.

How discriminatory is that? I daresay if you asked the FAI, they would bleat that they're "open to all", yet the record shows that they only ever approach Catholic players.

Worse still, it's no thanks to the FAI that many Catholic players stick with NI, but if that were not the case, it would ultimately lead to there being two international teams in Ireland, the Prod one (IFA) and the Taig one (FAI).

Then again, maybe you lot don't care about that...

Meanwhile, we're the ones who get called "bigots".   

P.S. People from NI are "Irish", too - even the Prods, shock horror - so you have no monopoly on that description.


Thats not the FAI's policy though.... They couldn't give a cr*p what a persons religious background is, if they're good enough and want to play for us then the FAI will be happy to have them. I don't care either for matter.... Come on now, are you really gonna try and paint the FAI out to be the bigots, that's quite preposterous, the IFA have improved a lot on that front in recent years, but they're still miles ahead in the "bigot league".
"That's not the FAI's policy though".

It is a fact that every single player who has been approached has been Catholic.

Seems a pretty clear policy to me.

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

The fact that [the IFA are] constantly harping on about "Catholic" and "Protestant" players shows that, no one has the slightest clue about the religious background of Ireland's players on the other hand...
Since when has anyone in the IFA ever been "constantly harping on" about "Catholic" and "Protestant" players?

Maybe you mean eg Michael O'Neill, or his big buddy Jim Magilton, or Gerry Armstrong, the man charged with identifying the barriers which may be deterring some young players form opting for NI?

Or half the team?

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Btw, if you're going to try and accuse someone else of being a bigot, you might want to omit terms such as "Taig" in future....
Er, you don't do Irony, do you?

But maybe you're right, perhaps I should have used the terms "Hun" and "Taig", to reflect the implications which flow from the FAI's clearly discriminatory recruitment policy. That way, no-one would be left in any doubt...

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

And I never said you weren't Irish, you can be Irish if you so choose to be, but I'd wager a bet that you identify more closely as British or "Northern" Irish.
I am British - it says so on my Passport. I am also Irish, it's obvious the moment I open my mouth. I am equally proud of both.

But if you were to ask me how I most closely define myself, I would simply say I'm Northern Irish (no need for " "s round the Northern, btw)

As such, I object to the FAI's apparent belief that theirs is the "true" or "real" Ireland football team of that name, something which FIFA explicitly told them was not the case, indeed reserving that privilege for the IFA (when not playing in competition where they might encounter the FAI representative team).

Then again, why should we be surprised at the FAI wishing to steal that, too?


The FAI's official approach is not to approach any northern-born players at all, an approach that I completely disagree with. Any guys they have talked to is only because these guys signalled interest first. As it so happens nearly all of the guys who signal interest are "catholics", at least nominally. This is purely coincidental, it has nothing to do with any discriminatory policy within the FAI, Alan Kernaghan is living proof of this. You my friend are making the great mistake of arguing correlation without causation, but then again you already knew that, but it doesn't suit your ridiculous argument so you're willing to overlook it.....


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Posted By: John W
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 8:16am
Originally posted by DeclanDaly DeclanDaly wrote:

Although the FAI certainly depends too much on 2nd/3rd genners or British clubs to develop Irish talent, I think the best of our under 21/19 age groups are definitely Irish-born or reared. A very decent side off the top of my head - 

Ian Lawlor (Man City)

Brian Lenihan (Hull City)
Pierce Sweeney (Reading)
Eoghan O'Connell (Celtic)
Sean Kavanagh (Fulham)

Jack Byrne (Man City)
Alan Browne (Preston)

Ryan Manning (QPR)
Joel Coustrain (Sheffield United)
Dylan Connolly (Ipswich)

Eoghan Stokes (Leeds)

Now, they may not be the best in the world, but they are pretty much the best that we have. Only Grealish, Hoban, Grego-Cox, maybe Garmston would be better of the English-born lads.



CJ Hamilton is going very well for Sheff Utd u21's at the moment mother is irish was reared in Ireland for a few years moved back to live with his father a few years back to concentrate on his football.


Posted By: savo01
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 1:38pm
Until NI stop playing gstq then the majority of Catholic's will not feel comfortable supporting and playing for them. That the stadium is based in a hostile part of Belfast will never help either.

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Posted By: DeclanDaly
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 2:33pm

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CJ Hamilton is going very well for Sheff Utd u21's at the moment mother is irish was reared in Ireland for a few years moved back to live with his father a few years back to concentrate on his football.
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I had not heard of him before, actually. Good spot. Conor Dimaio is another one of ours at Sheffield Utd, although he's not Irish born (if those are the rules we are playing by). Same age group, and already has a few first team games under his belt.

Agree on O'Hanlon. Been especially interesting to see how Liverpool have been using him in a midfield two. If he lacks pace, that might be his best position. Certainly seems to have a cultured left foot.


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Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:


The FAI's official approach is not to approach any northern-born players at all, an approach that I completely disagree with. Any guys they have talked to is only because these guys signalled interest first. As it so happens nearly all of the guys who signal interest are "catholics", at least nominally. This is purely coincidental, it has nothing to do with any discriminatory policy within the FAI, Alan Kernaghan is living proof of this. You my friend are making the great mistake of arguing correlation without causation, but then again you already knew that, but it doesn't suit your ridiculous argument so you're willing to overlook it.....
OWC fans don't tend to get the fact that the rest of us don't give a hoot what brand of religion a player indentifies with. If he approaches the FAI, we take a look.
 
If they took a step back they might have the strategic thought that this in fact suits them longer term. Players from a nationlist background declaring for Ireland creates a de facto united Irish side and means that the 6 county team is safer. But that involves heads being removed from arses.


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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 4:01pm
Jack Byrne playing on Eurosport now


Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 6:19pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:



The FAI's official approach is not to approach any northern-born players at all, an approach that I completely disagree with. Any guys they have talked to is only because these guys signalled interest first. As it so happens nearly all of the guys who signal interest are "catholics", at least nominally. This is purely coincidental, it has nothing to do with any discriminatory policy within the FAI, Alan Kernaghan is living proof of this. You my friend are making the great mistake of arguing correlation without causation, but then again you already knew that, but it doesn't suit your ridiculous argument so you're willing to overlook it.....
And the "FAI's official approach" is a downright lie. In fact, there have been a number of cases where players have been approached first - eg Chris Baird, Keiran McKenna and Shane Ferguson to name but three that were revealed by the players themselves.

On top of which, FAI scouts are regularly seen at a number of NI under-age games. A most extreme example was when an Australian Schools team were on tour in NI and their game, originally scheduled for Belfast, had to be moved to the wilds of Co.Fermanagh at the last minute due to weather. This was an afternoon midweek kickoff, yet two FAI scouts were still seen in attendance, taking notes. And it cannot have been the opposition they were watching, since the Aussies weren't playing their ROI counterparts.

As for Kernaghan, he was over 30 years ago, and only approached ROI because he was desperate to play international football. At the time, he was eligible and keen to play for NI , but the IFA declined because his eligibility was via his NI grandparents and at that time, IFA policy was to go back only one generation. (The fact that he had been schooled in NI didn't move the IFA, either.)
Meanwhile, the FAI was in no position to turn down players of his ability who turned upon their doorstep.

Or as one of your own national team managers, Brian Kerr, put it:
"While a manager will always seek to get the best players available within the rules, direction and policy is required on such a sensitive issue as poaching our next door neighbour’s best players after they have been reared and groomed in that environment....

... I feel it is unfair, seedy and predatory to have such a policy towards a neighbour. Just imagine if the boot was on the other foot."

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-21345593.html

Note the difference between "poaching" [sic] and accepting a bird which falls out of the sky into your lap...


Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

Until NI stop playing gstq then the majority of Catholic's will not feel comfortable supporting and playing for them. That the stadium is based in a hostile part of Belfast will never help either.
I am no supporter of the playing of GSTQ, but consider this.
How "comfortable" would an NI Prod feel supporting or playing for the ROI when you play The Soldier's Song?

As for your "hostile" part of Belfast comment, that is derisory and can only come from a state of complete ignorance. Perhaps you got it from Roy Keane's (first) Autobiography, when he described Windsor Park as being "in East Belfast"?

Meanwhile, thousands of Catholic Man U and Liverpool fans don't find WP too "hostile" to stop them attending when their team comes over to play friendlies.

But hey, why let mere facts and reason get in the way of your argument...


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 7:05pm
Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

Until NI stop playing gstq then the majority of Catholic's will not feel comfortable supporting and playing for them. That the stadium is based in a hostile part of Belfast will never help either.
I am no supporter of the playing of GSTQ, but consider this.
How "comfortable" would an NI Prod feel supporting or playing for the ROI when you play The Soldier's Song?

As for your "hostile" part of Belfast comment, that is derisory and can only come from a state of complete ignorance. Perhaps you got it from Roy Keane's (first) Autobiography, when he described Windsor Park as being "in East Belfast"?

Meanwhile, thousands of Catholic Man U and Liverpool fans don't find WP too "hostile" to stop them attending when their team comes over to play friendlies.

But hey, why let mere facts and reason get in the way of your argument...


I don't ever remember Alan Kernaghan complaining.

This article pretty much sums it up.

NI have been 'poaching' players from Ireland for a long time, the most recent one being Alex Bruce.

http://playereligibilityinireland.blogspot.ie/" rel="nofollow - http://playereligibilityinireland.blogspot.ie/





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Posted By: grannyrule
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 7:33pm
Dylan Connolly on the bench for Ipswich tonight. Hope he gets a run


Posted By: 085immersive
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 7:48pm
Another good prospect at Spurs. Goes by the name Harry Kane. But he hasn't proved himself over a full season yet so let's not get our hopes up. From Galway direction my sources tell me


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 11:20am
Originally posted by 085immersive 085immersive wrote:

Another good prospect at Spurs. Goes by the name Harry Kane. But he hasn't proved himself over a full season yet so let's not get our hopes up. From Galway direction my sources tell me
Your sources are wrong. He is from Chingford in North London.

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Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by savo01 savo01 wrote:

Until NI stop playing gstq then the majority of Catholic's will not feel comfortable supporting and playing for them. That the stadium is based in a hostile part of Belfast will never help either.
I am no supporter of the playing of GSTQ, but consider this.
How "comfortable" would an NI Prod feel supporting or playing for the ROI when you play The Soldier's Song?

As for your "hostile" part of Belfast comment, that is derisory and can only come from a state of complete ignorance. Perhaps you got it from Roy Keane's (first) Autobiography, when he described Windsor Park as being "in East Belfast"?

Meanwhile, thousands of Catholic Man U and Liverpool fans don't find WP too "hostile" to stop them attending when their team comes over to play friendlies.

But hey, why let mere facts and reason get in the way of your argument...


I don't ever remember Alan Kernaghan complaining.
Kernaghan was never given a choice.

"Choice" ironically being something which the FAI demands on behalf of certain players (Northern Catholics), but evidently denies to certain others (northern Prods).

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:


This article pretty much sums it up.
http://playereligibilityinireland.blogspot.ie/
If you had even read the article you cited, you would see that the Author argues that not only may the FAI make the first approach, but also that they should.

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

NI have been 'poaching' players from Ireland for a long time, the most recent one being Alex Bruce.
At least try and get your facts right.

Alex Bruce is English, and he qualified for NI through his NI granny (from Bangor, Co.Down).

He also qualified for ROI and he chose you over NI.

Then when he was getting nowhere, he decided to switch to NI.

In other words, if the landowner clearly doesn't mind you taking the odd pheasant, it cannot be "poaching"...





Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by 085immersive 085immersive wrote:

Another good prospect at Spurs. Goes by the name Harry Kane. But he hasn't proved himself over a full season yet so let's not get our hopes up. From Galway direction my sources tell me
Your sources are wrong. He is from Chingford in North London.
Chingford is in North East London.

In fact it is in Essex, whereas Tottenham is in Middlesex.

Either way, he ain't ever gonna represent ROI.


Posted By: Devrozex
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 4:31pm
Territoral - in what way exactly does the FAI 'deny' players from a Protestant background from representing the ROI? Total nonsense.
 
I accept they may well target players from a Catholic background more often, but to claim they 'deny' anyone born on this island from representing the national side is rubbish, let's be fair.


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Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Territoral - in what way exactly does the FAI 'deny' players from a Protestant background from representing the ROI? Total nonsense.
 

I accept they may well target players from a Catholic background more often, but to claim they 'deny' anyone born on this island from representing the national side is rubbish, let's be fair.
Simple, really.

The FAI claims that they are open to all Irish players, north and south.

Yet they only ever approach NI players from the Catholic community, as evidenced by the fact that every single one of the NI-born players who have been selected/approached have been from that community.

If they were genuine about being "open to all", then they would approach players from the Prod community.

They don't.

It's a bit like the GAA's claim that they, too, are "open to all".

Yet Protestant GAA players in the six NI counties are scarcer than hens' teeth.


Posted By: drog addict
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Territoral - in what way exactly does the FAI 'deny' players from a Protestant background from representing the ROI? Total nonsense.
 

I accept they may well target players from a Catholic background more often, but to claim they 'deny' anyone born on this island from representing the national side is rubbish, let's be fair.
Simple, really.

The FAI claims that they are open to all Irish players, north and south.

Yet they only ever approach NI players from the Catholic community, as evidenced by the fact that every single one of the NI-born players who have been selected/approached have been from that community.

If they were genuine about being "open to all", then they would approach players from the Prod community.

They don't.

It's a bit like the GAA's claim that they, too, are "open to all".

Yet Protestant GAA players in the six NI counties are scarcer than hens' teeth.


Has a NI Protestant shown any interest to play for us? Don't think so. Would they play for us? Highly doubt it.
It's a working class game and in working class areas of the North you are either them un's or those un's, so why would the FAI waste their time knowing that some Mervin or Rupert from either east Belfast, the waterside or Cullybacky will say NOooo to us tatty munching free state Fenian papists.


Posted By: roverstillidie
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 5:26pm
Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Simple, really.

The FAI claims that they are open to all Irish players, north and south.

Yet they only ever approach NI players from the Catholic community, as evidenced by the fact that every single one of the NI-born players who have been selected/approached have been from that community.

If they were genuine about being "open to all", then they would approach players from the Prod community.

They don't.

It's a bit like the GAA's claim that they, too, are "open to all".

Yet Protestant GAA players in the six NI counties are scarcer than hens' teeth.
You are using specious reasoning. I will assume you are correct about the religions background of Irish players as I simply don't know or care. But because there have only been players from the CNR community so far, you are taking a logical leap that this means that the FAI are operating in a sectarian fashion. Even if it is true, the intellectual gymnastics you have taken to get to this render your point invalid. You are looking at this through the 6 county pressure cooker prism. Not the 'no-one gives a shyte what religion you are' Dublin one.
 
But you are right, the Gah are bigoted backwards beasts. Comparing the FAI to them is shocking form.


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Posted By: dubstep
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 5:30pm
Prods dont want to play for us Catholics do, thats a fact move along .


Posted By: Devrozex
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 5:34pm
Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

But because there have only been players from the CNR community so far, you are taking a logical leap that this means that the FAI are operating in a sectarian fashion. Even if it is true, the intellectual gymnastics you have taken to get to this render your point invalid. You are looking at this through the 6 county pressure cooker prism. Not the 'no-one gives a shyte what religion you are' Dublin one.
 
Nail on the head there I think RTID.


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Posted By: Territorial
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 7:30pm
Originally posted by drog addict drog addict wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Territoral - in what way exactly does the FAI 'deny' players from a Protestant background from representing the ROI? Total nonsense.
 

I accept they may well target players from a Catholic background more often, but to claim they 'deny' anyone born on this island from representing the national side is rubbish, let's be fair.
Simple, really.

The FAI claims that they are open to all Irish players, north and south.

Yet they only ever approach NI players from the Catholic community, as evidenced by the fact that every single one of the NI-born players who have been selected/approached have been from that community.

If they were genuine about being "open to all", then they would approach players from the Prod community.

They don't.

It's a bit like the GAA's claim that they, too, are "open to all".

Yet Protestant GAA players in the six NI counties are scarcer than hens' teeth.


Has a NI Protestant shown any interest to play for us? Don't think so. Would they play for us? Highly doubt it.
It's a working class game and in working class areas of the North you are either them un's or those un's, so why would the FAI waste their time knowing that some Mervin or Rupert from either east Belfast, the waterside or Cullybacky will say NOooo to us tatty munching free state Fenian papists.
So when NI Catholics don't want to play for NI, that's the IFA's fault.

But when NI Prods don't want to play for the FAI, that's the Prods' fault?

That seems to be the implication of your stance.

I mean, you would doubtless claim that playing GSTQ deters NI Catholics from playing for NI.

Yet the Soldiers Song would equally deter NI Prods from playing for ROI.

Why don't you change that, so as to make it more likely that NI Prods might be interested in playing for you?

After all, you say you don't care whether your players are Prod, RC or whatever, so why aren't you doing all you can to attract the best players eligible, regardless of what foot they kick with? (sorry)

As for the fear of being turned down by NI Prods, you've been turned down by NI Catholics in the past, so you'd think you'd be used to it by now.



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