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If o shea comes back to the senior squad, Nathan collins could drop back to the under21 which would add some strength to the back line. Obafemi could also come into the reckoning (think he still eligible) and add more depth in the forwards.
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Originally posted by SeanC SeanC wrote:

Defo re Smallbone, good link play from him, looks quality. Tierney is a good LoI player but looked completely out of sorts here, a level too much? Can’t remember him controlling a ball. Cawley in commentary said he had a good game, not sure what game he was watching. The two subs ferry & O’Neill looked way better that Wright & Tierney. Ferguson didn’t do anything but hopefully he’s not just another hype player. LB, Bagan, v solid. Plenty positives in the game.

I'm still shocked that anyone is judging a striker whatsoever in this set up don't mind a just turned 17yo kid like Ferguson! Kayode Whelan Ferguson they get runover playing as a lone man! It's not working and it's remarkable we are still in with a remote chance of qualifying from this group with it. 
Kilkenny/Coventry is a very strong midfield in context of U21 level and they have helped. 

We did well today I don't want to sl*g the management to the rooftop's but a bit like Solskjaer at United who often found it easier against top sides who gave him space and his players space to play off the cuff it seems a case of this here. We have looked miles better against Sweden/Bosnia then we have against what are minnows in Montenegro/Luxembourg.
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Defo re Smallbone, good link play from him, looks quality. Tierney is a good LoI player but looked completely out of sorts here, a level too much? Can’t remember him controlling a ball. Cawley in commentary said he had a good game, not sure what game he was watching. The two subs ferry & O’Neill looked way better that Wright & Tierney. Ferguson didn’t do anything but hopefully he’s not just another hype player. LB, Bagan, v solid. Plenty positives in the game.

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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Interesting dilemma for kenny in march with the u21s return tie vs Sweden in the same window. He'll surely move smallbone up if he's playing for Southampton, but would he move Kilkenny up also and rip the heart out of the U21 team. I think he'd learn as much watching Kilkenny play in a must win away game vs tough opposition
Dawson Devoy would be a decent replacement for Kilkenny. Smallbone may be a bigger loss..Think we started playing better when he went into the 10 position. As much as I like Tierney he is not technically good enough to play 10 & Noss has been slightly disappointing.
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Originally posted by Eoink21 Eoink21 wrote:

I saw a Prica coming on for Sweden and it rang a bell. Sure enough, his aul lad was Rade Prica that Roy Keane signed for Sunderland when he was under a bit of pressure in 2008. 

That’s gas. Heard the commentators say his name and was the first thing I thought of.
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Originally posted by Frabhoy Frabhoy wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Good win.

we are comfortably the second best team in this group on paper - even without the likes of Parrott, Idah, Bazunu, Knight, Omobamidele, Collins etc. Unfortunately it's very difficult for us to finish second from our current position.

Smallbone has played premier league football, Kilkenny, Coventry, McGuinness, Ebosole and Bagan play quite regularly at Championship level etc. Many others are playing regularly in League 1 etc.

We shouldn't be dropping points to Luxembourg or losing to Montenegro, which will ultimately be what kills us.


If we were somehow able to get three points in Sweden. Do you not think it could be back on? 
If we win away in Sweden we have every chance of a 2nd place finish, as we have 2 very winnable home games thereafter and the last game is away to an Italian side who may well have already topped the group.
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I saw a Prica coming on for Sweden and it rang a bell. Sure enough, his aul lad was Rade Prica that Roy Keane signed for Sunderland when he was under a bit of pressure in 2008. 
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Interesting dilemma for kenny in march with the u21s return tie vs Sweden in the same window. He'll surely move smallbone up if he's playing for Southampton, but would he move Kilkenny up also and rip the heart out of the U21 team. I think he'd learn as much watching Kilkenny play in a must win away game vs tough opposition
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Originally posted by Frabhoy Frabhoy wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Good win.

we are comfortably the second best team in this group on paper - even without the likes of Parrott, Idah, Bazunu, Knight, Omobamidele, Collins etc. Unfortunately it's very difficult for us to finish second from our current position.

Smallbone has played premier league football, Kilkenny, Coventry, McGuinness, Ebosole and Bagan play quite regularly at Championship level etc. Many others are playing regularly in League 1 etc.

We shouldn't be dropping points to Luxembourg or losing to Montenegro, which will ultimately be what kills us.


If we were somehow able to get three points in Sweden. Do you not think it could be back on? 

I think we will drop further unexpected points to be honest, this will be down to the management team rather than the players. 

Despite this it is exciting that with what some think isn't a particularly talented under-21s team we've managed to look the better side and win against both Sweden and Bosnia. 

Beating teams like that is what we'll need to do to qualify regularly at senior level.
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Any word on why Festy was dropped and the other elephant in the room - what’s the word on Okoflex
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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

I'm not much of a fan of the Jim Crawford setup or style of play, but it's still encouraging to see that a team that is missing 8 would be starters can still go out and beat a strong nation like Sweden. I'd say Kilkenny, Bagan and Smallbone would be the only players from tonight that would make a full strength lineup at that age group.

Ebosele, o'brien and Coventry would be close also, especially if we mirrored the 3421 which we should. 
Bazunu
Ebosele
Bagan
Omobamidele
O'Brien
Collins
Kilkenny
Knight
Smallbone
Idah
Connolly

With parrott, mc guinness and Coventry otb. The future is very bright
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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Good win.

we are comfortably the second best team in this group on paper - even without the likes of Parrott, Idah, Bazunu, Knight, Omobamidele, Collins etc. Unfortunately it's very difficult for us to finish second from our current position.

Smallbone has played premier league football, Kilkenny, Coventry, McGuinness, Ebosole and Bagan play quite regularly at Championship level etc. Many others are playing regularly in League 1 etc.

We shouldn't be dropping points to Luxembourg or losing to Montenegro, which will ultimately be what kills us.


If we were somehow able to get three points in Sweden. Do you not think it could be back on? 
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class display tonight. We should have won by 2 or 3 but I will take a last minute goal. We looked a bit ropey in the first half but controled the game in the second. Smallbone is getting better and better and that finish from O Neill was top drawer. Kenny is spoilt for choice in some new kids to blood!
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Good win.

we are comfortably the second best team in this group on paper - even without the likes of Parrott, Idah, Bazunu, Knight, Omobamidele, Collins etc. Unfortunately it's very difficult for us to finish second from our current position.

Smallbone has played premier league football, Kilkenny, Coventry, McGuinness, Ebosole and Bagan play quite regularly at Championship level etc. Many others are playing regularly in League 1 etc.

We shouldn't be dropping points to Luxembourg or losing to Montenegro, which will ultimately be what kills us.

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I'm not much of a fan of the Jim Crawford setup or style of play, but it's still encouraging to see that a team that is missing 8 would be starters can still go out and beat a strong nation like Sweden. I'd say Kilkenny, Bagan and Smallbone would be the only players from tonight that would make a full strength lineup at that age group.
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Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

Originally posted by Pauldaly1984 Pauldaly1984 wrote:

Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

Originally posted by Pauldaly1984 Pauldaly1984 wrote:

I like that o Neill . I googled him there and it says place of birth Republic of Ireland . If that’s correct he must have moved away quite young as has quite an English accent . Anyone have any ideas on his background . Thought he looked really good when he came on. Ferguson looks a beast


Not sure that he was born here, but his dad is from Waterford, his uncle is a regular at The RSC, he’s 100% committed to us according to him, I’ll try find out more


Thanks for that 


Just an update, slight correction,
Posted by his cousin: both his grandparents are Waterford, spent all his summers in Dunmore East, mother’s family from Galway, no English blood whatsoever, has turned down England

Cheers. Post match interview for anyone looking for a smile: https://twitter.com/RTEsoccer/status/1460715671680176133?s=20
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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

So kilkenny is 22 in February next year and we have this qualification campaign up to mid June.

So can he still play up to then? 


He can play beyond then, it goes by year of the start date of qualification. Its always anyone born or after 1st Jan 20xx.

If were to qualify for the final he can still play in the finals in June 2023.

Interesting so if we get to the final, kilkenny will be 23 and playing u21 football 

Under 21 is a bit strange like that, it doesn't really follow the age rules them same way the younger age groups do. It's an Under 21 tournament for the first few months of qualification but becomes effectively an Under 23 tournament by the time the finals come around (not that we'd know having never qualified!), Connor Ronan could have played for us in it at 23 if we had qualified for the last one.


Its the exact same for u17s and 19s, the only difference is those tournaments are held annually as opposed to biannually with the u21s.

That's not correct. The 2022 under 19s finals will feature players born in 2003 or later - nobody in it will be older than 19 years old. The 2023 Euro under 21s finals, on the other hand, will feature players born 2000 or later, so there will be 23 year old players playing in that tournament, even though it is theoretically an under 21 competition. So they're actually run very differently to each other.
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We could actually qualify from this group if teams keep taking points off eachother. Still unlikely with away games in Italy and Sweden but you never knkw. 
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