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Okoflex comes across like typical lad who thinks he is  better than he is  going by his last post on Instagram with his phone in the stand, I'd imagine his attitude is woeful and he literally has done not one thing in the game as of yet, U23s means nothing and I won't be surprised if we don't see him in an Ireland squad for a long time, reminds of Odubeko with the stuff he puts up and look how far back his career has gone this season not even scoring for Huddersfields B team. These lads will do well to have any sort of career because ability is one of a number of things you need and attitude being No1.

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lee O’Connor MOTM yesterday. Thought he wasn’t great on the updates here. 
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Why does it have to be one of those two? "Frozen out" infers some kind of malevolence on Crawford's part. Maybe he's not good enough. Maybe he doesn't bother his arse in training. Maybe he went home.


Yep, as I said, acting the bllox.

But yes, maybe he just didn't show enough in training but he's near the top of the PL2 goalscorer charts so he can play, despite what we think of those leagues.

O'Neill hasn't even scored for Fulham in their PL2 league, one level below West Ham's where OF has scored a bunch.
This suggests to me that there's more going on here than just the lads ability and I am guessing it is his application or some personal issue with the manager.
For a lad with his potential and form, to not evven make our bench is a bit of a head-turner.


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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

I was looking at the remaining fixtures this morning and its a tough ask to even make 2nd place. Drawing away to Lux and losing to Montenegro were two shocking results and hard to come back from.
Italy look favourites to qualify, so its Sweden we have to catch. We play them next at the end of March. They are 4 points clear, having played a game more, and are on 14 points. We have 10 points.

We will either have to get a draw away to both Sweden and Italy and win our other two matches against Bosnia and Montenegro, or beat Sweden, Bosnia and Montenegro and hope the Swedes dont beat Italy.

Looks a very long shot to qualify here lads unfortunately.

I'd written off this campaign after the dropped points to Lux.
In the last campaign, we beat the Swedes twice and still failed to get 2nd and that with beating the minnows home and away no problem.

Then losing to Montenegoro was a disaster and not only were the dropped points an issue, when you looked at our form, it was poor.

Now beating Sweden was deserved and most welcome but any talk of coming 2nd here is still a fantasy unless we go there in March and beat them again.
Not beyond the bounds if we play again like last night but its possible we just clicked once as opposed to had a renaissance under JC, and we will revert to form in the new year.

There's still red-flags for me - the formation has mostly looked ineffective, with an isolated #9 and the wide lads playing very hit and miss (as we saw last night with Wright and previously with Ferry and Gilbert).
Could argue our best atacking wide man (OkoFlex) on club-form is not being played.
Now, he's either been frozen out or is acting the bllox so can't say at this stage where the fault there lies.
Finally we could see the best two players in he group (Kilkenny and Smallbone) elevated to the seniors come March (or by the next window after that) and I am not sure they have the squad-dept to soak those losses up.

Overall the campaign has been hit and miss.  Last night was a deserved win and the best JC U21 performance yet and if he can keep this up, I'll change my mind on him.





Why does it have to be one of those two? "Frozen out" infers some kind of malevolence on Crawford's part. Maybe he's not good enough. Maybe he doesn't bother his arse in training. Maybe he went home.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Was expecting Ollie O'Neill to recite the 1916 Proclamation after reading about that interview on here. It sounded like every other interview from someone who's scored a 90th minute winner. What do people expect, for him to start singing Fake Plastic Trees?

As for the poster saying he turned down England (for which there is no source) and that his cousin's dentist's girlfriend's best friend said he'll always play for us, it's worth mentioning that Jack Grealish's brother posted here and on Foot.ie saying similar stuff; Declan Rice's dad gave radio interviews saying similar stuff.

Not sure what his holidaying in Ireland has to do with anything. Harry Kane holidayed in Connemara and always wanted to play for England. Your Irish heritage isn't expunged and your Irish relatives don't cease to exist once you accept England caps.

Anyways, delighted with the result. And hopefully Ollie does continue on with us if Fulham get promoted and he ends up in the first team. But let's not get carried away lads. 
 

I would make the point to you the depth of attacking talent in the England set up at the moment will help our cause as regards the likes of this fella if he ever does show promise. Antonio declared for Jamaica in the finish as he quite simply couldn't get a look in. That tells you the quality they have. 

It really isn't something to worry about anyways as long as he's here I'm happy to presume they won't jump ship. If they do just file it under who cares and move on.
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Was expecting Ollie O'Neill to recite the 1916 Proclamation after reading about that interview on here. It sounded like every other interview from someone who's scored a 90th minute winner. What do people expect, for him to start singing Fake Plastic Trees?

As for the poster saying he turned down England (for which there is no source) and that his cousin's dentist's girlfriend's best friend said he'll always play for us, it's worth mentioning that Jack Grealish's brother posted here and on Foot.ie saying similar stuff; Declan Rice's dad gave radio interviews saying similar stuff.

Not sure what his holidaying in Ireland has to do with anything. Harry Kane holidayed in Connemara and always wanted to play for England. Your Irish heritage isn't expunged and your Irish relatives don't cease to exist once you accept England caps.

Anyways, delighted with the result. And hopefully Ollie does continue on with us if Fulham get promoted and he ends up in the first team. But let's not get carried away lads. 

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I think Smallbone will be left with the U21s for March. We have options in that area of the pitch Knight McGrath Ogbene Robinson Parrott. He's plenty in front of him. Not to say if he's playing and really impressing for Southampton by then he wouldn't have a case to come in. 

Kilkenny is a different story and particularly if he keeps playing close to regularly for Bournemouth then he is the one player in the position we need to blood. We are so light in that area what if Cullen gets injured? 

Hourihane or McCarthy who can't stay fit are not it. Hendrick is industrious and played a great pass for the 2nd goal but he didn't show for the ball enough off the defence against Lux. 


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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Was expecting Ollie O'Neill to recite the 1916 Proclamation after reading about that interview on here. It sounded like every other interview from someone who's scored a 90th minute winner. What do people expect, for him to start singing Fake Plastic Trees?

As for the poster saying he turned down England (for which there is no source) and that his cousin's dentist's girlfriend's best friend said he'll always play for us, it's worth mentioning that Jack Grealish's brother posted here and on Foot.ie saying similar stuff; Declan Rice's dad gave radio interviews saying similar stuff.

Not sure what his holidaying in Ireland has to do with anything. Harry Kane holidayed in Connemara and always wanted to play for England. Your Irish heritage isn't expunged and your Irish relatives don't cease to exist once you accept England caps.

Anyways, delighted with the result. And hopefully Ollie does continue on with us if Fulham get promoted and he ends up in the first team. But let's not get carried away lads. 

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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Was expecting Ollie O'Neill to recite the 1916 Proclamation after reading about that interview on here. It sounded like every other interview from someone who's scored a 90th minute winner. What do people expect, for him to start singing Fake Plastic Trees?

As for the poster saying he turned down England (for which there is no source) and that his cousin's dentist's girlfriend's best friend said he'll always play for us, it's worth mentioning that Jack Grealish's brother posted here and on Foot.ie saying similar stuff; Declan Rice's dad gave radio interviews saying similar stuff.

Not sure what his holidaying in Ireland has to do with anything. Harry Kane holidayed in Connemara and always wanted to play for England. Your Irish heritage isn't expunged and your Irish relatives don't cease to exist once you accept England caps.

Anyways, delighted with the result. And hopefully Ollie does continue on with us if Fulham get promoted and he ends up in the first team. But let's not get carried away lads. 


Slight exaggeration form you there, the quotes are directly form his cousin, read into it what you want, it's also worth noting that Ollie's Irish connections are on both sides of his family, there's not a chance he's going to go anywhere.

As for Grealish's brother, he always caveated his posts by saying "at the moment" he was happy with Ireland. Grealish himself always stated that he supported the Irish U21 team and the England national team - he was always going to play for them

As for Rice that took everyone by surprise, but then again, his mother's side is very English

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Was expecting Ollie O'Neill to recite the 1916 Proclamation after reading about that interview on here. It sounded like every other interview from someone who's scored a 90th minute winner. What do people expect, for him to start singing Fake Plastic Trees?

As for the poster saying he turned down England (for which there is no source) and that his cousin's dentist's girlfriend's best friend said he'll always play for us, it's worth mentioning that Jack Grealish's brother posted here and on Foot.ie saying similar stuff; Declan Rice's dad gave radio interviews saying similar stuff.

Not sure what his holidaying in Ireland has to do with anything. Harry Kane holidayed in Connemara and always wanted to play for England. Your Irish heritage isn't expunged and your Irish relatives don't cease to exist once you accept England caps.

Anyways, delighted with the result. And hopefully Ollie does continue on with us if Fulham get promoted and he ends up in the first team. But let's not get carried away lads. 
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Originally posted by aviva8 aviva8 wrote:

If o shea comes back to the senior squad, Nathan collins could drop back to the under21 which would add some strength to the back line. Obafemi could also come into the reckoning (think he still eligible) and add more depth in the forwards.


O'Shea, Omobamidele, and Collins were all in the squad together back in September so don't see him dropping out for O'Shea and more likely Manning drops out.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Interesting dilemma for kenny in march with the u21s return tie vs Sweden in the same window. He'll surely move smallbone up if he's playing for Southampton, but would he move Kilkenny up also and rip the heart out of the U21 team. I think he'd learn as much watching Kilkenny play in a must win away game vs tough opposition


Not sure of the dates for the senior games in March, but it's Tue 28th March for the U21 match in Sweden. I think it's worth leaving the U21 squad as it is for March and see how the U21 team get on over there. That resut probably dictates the outcome of the group. Last nights result would have put a huge positivity amongst the camp so a pity to break it up straight away.

Perhaps the likes of Smallbone and Kilkenny join the senior squad for the first of their two matches and then join up with the U21's a few days later?

Kenny has talked about working closely with the other underage managers so this will be a good test of that.

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Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

Looks a very long shot to qualify here lads unfortunately.

True - but it looked a hell of a lot longer with 91 mins or so played last night! As has been said two very poor results had left us almost dead and buried but at least they have a chance at it now after last night.
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Terrible attendance again in tallaght get these game around the country again in the likes of Turner's Cross, Showgrounds, RSC,  etc.... Having the MNT, WNT and the U21's play in Dublin is crazy.
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Originally posted by greenshoots greenshoots wrote:

I was looking at the remaining fixtures this morning and its a tough ask to even make 2nd place. Drawing away to Lux and losing to Montenegro were two shocking results and hard to come back from.
Italy look favourites to qualify, so its Sweden we have to catch. We play them next at the end of March. They are 4 points clear, having played a game more, and are on 14 points. We have 10 points.

We will either have to get a draw away to both Sweden and Italy and win our other two matches against Bosnia and Montenegro, or beat Sweden, Bosnia and Montenegro and hope the Swedes dont beat Italy.

Looks a very long shot to qualify here lads unfortunately.

I'd written off this campaign after the dropped points to Lux.
In the last campaign, we beat the Swedes twice and still failed to get 2nd and that with beating the minnows home and away no problem.

Then losing to Montenegoro was a disaster and not only were the dropped points an issue, when you looked at our form, it was poor.

Now beating Sweden was deserved and most welcome but any talk of coming 2nd here is still a fantasy unless we go there in March and beat them again.
Not beyond the bounds if we play again like last night but its possible we just clicked once as opposed to had a renaissance under JC, and we will revert to form in the new year.

There's still red-flags for me - the formation has mostly looked ineffective, with an isolated #9 and the wide lads playing very hit and miss (as we saw last night with Wright and previously with Ferry and Gilbert).
Could argue our best atacking wide man (OkoFlex) on club-form is not being played.
Now, he's either been frozen out or is acting the bllox so can't say at this stage where the fault there lies.
Finally we could see the best two players in he group (Kilkenny and Smallbone) elevated to the seniors come March (or by the next window after that) and I am not sure they have the squad-dept to soak those losses up.

Overall the campaign has been hit and miss.  Last night was a deserved win and the best JC U21 performance yet and if he can keep this up, I'll change my mind on him.






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I was looking at the remaining fixtures this morning and its a tough ask to even make 2nd place. Drawing away to Lux and losing to Montenegro were two shocking results and hard to come back from.
Italy look favourites to qualify, so its Sweden we have to catch. We play them next at the end of March. They are 4 points clear, having played a game more, and are on 14 points. We have 10 points.

We will either have to get a draw away to both Sweden and Italy and win our other two matches against Bosnia and Montenegro, or beat Sweden, Bosnia and Montenegro and hope the Swedes dont beat Italy.

Looks a very long shot to qualify here lads unfortunately.
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If o shea comes back to the senior squad, Nathan collins could drop back to the under21 which would add some strength to the back line. Obafemi could also come into the reckoning (think he still eligible) and add more depth in the forwards.
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