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I don't believe for one minute that Tories would lie.


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Sadiq Khan accuses Tories of 'lies' over London mayoral ad

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Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

I don't believe for one minute that Tories would lie.


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Sadiq Khan accuses Tories of 'lies' over London mayoral ad

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Latest MRP poll has the tories on 98 seats and labour on mid 4 hundreds.  Absolute whitewash if that happens.  For them to go below 100 seats would be unbelievable. 

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Just came on here after seeing that poll

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Sad thing is, Labour under that ballix Starmer are just Tories anyway.
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Not making excuses for Starmer, but Labour tried going with a left wing leader in Jeremy Corbyn. How did that work out?
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Originally posted by newrynyuk newrynyuk wrote:

Not making excuses for Starmer, but Labour tried going with a left wing leader in Jeremy Corbyn. How did that work out?
Think you’ll find the media weren’t going to allow Corbyn come in and change everything so he was destroyed and a lot of normal people fell for it.
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Originally posted by newrynyuk newrynyuk wrote:

Not making excuses for Starmer, but Labour tried going with a left wing leader in Jeremy Corbyn. How did that work out?
They're  meant  to be left wing
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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by newrynyuk newrynyuk wrote:

Not making excuses for Starmer, but Labour tried going with a left wing leader in Jeremy Corbyn. How did that work out?
Think you’ll find the media weren’t going to allow Corbyn come in and change everything so he was destroyed and a lot of normal people fell for it.

This and the Forde Report showed how Labour f**ked Corbyn over. Britain would be in a far better place today under a Corbyn government both domestically and internationally. 
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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by newrynyuk newrynyuk wrote:

Not making excuses for Starmer, but Labour tried going with a left wing leader in Jeremy Corbyn. How did that work out?
Think you’ll find the media weren’t going to allow Corbyn come in and change everything so he was destroyed and a lot of normal people fell for it.

Spot on the Daily Mail The Sun Telegraph etc did a job on him like they did with Kinnock Foot etc

Corbyn is a good man
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Corbyn ruined himself by being incapable of taking a proper position on Brexit, which was the key factor in the 2019 election. Leavers and remainers didn’t trust him. The Skripal Affair also cast serious doubts about his ability to manage key foreign affairs issues, and that would have re-appeared during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The fact that the 2019 Tory administration has failed Britain terribly is not proof that Corbyn would have succeeded, and it’s not sound analysis to place the blame at the foot of the media, particularly given the outcome in 2017.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Corbyn ruined himself by being incapable of taking a proper position on Brexit, which was the key factor in the 2019 election. Leavers and remainers didn’t trust him. The Skripal Affair also cast serious doubts about his ability to manage key foreign affairs issues, and that would have re-appeared during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The fact that the 2019 Tory administration has failed Britain terribly is not proof that Corbyn would have succeeded, and it’s not sound analysis to place the blame at the foot of the media, particularly given the outcome in 2017.
Is he pro Russian or at least not pro Ukraine?
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Corbyn ruined himself by being incapable of taking a proper position on Brexit, which was the key factor in the 2019 election. Leavers and remainers didn’t trust him. The Skripal Affair also cast serious doubts about his ability to manage key foreign affairs issues, and that would have re-appeared during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The fact that the 2019 Tory administration has failed Britain terribly is not proof that Corbyn would have succeeded, and it’s not sound analysis to place the blame at the foot of the media, particularly given the outcome in 2017.

Go away ya gowl, Skripal Affair and Corbyn LOL you're subscription to the Guardian needs to be cancelled for us to take you seriously LOL

One thing for certain is Corbyn wouldn't have bowed to Biden /CIA and Zelensky would have signed a peace agreement in 2022 unlike Boris and his actions. We would have peace in Ukraine today. 

I'd go to as far as saying Julian Assange would be free and possibly we wouldn't have the genocide in Gaza today either. Possibly also the Brits would be out of NATO 
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Originally posted by Mush Cassidys Donkey Mush Cassidys Donkey wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Corbyn ruined himself by being incapable of taking a proper position on Brexit, which was the key factor in the 2019 election. Leavers and remainers didn’t trust him. The Skripal Affair also cast serious doubts about his ability to manage key foreign affairs issues, and that would have re-appeared during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The fact that the 2019 Tory administration has failed Britain terribly is not proof that Corbyn would have succeeded, and it’s not sound analysis to place the blame at the foot of the media, particularly given the outcome in 2017.

Go away ya gowl, Skripal Affair and Corbyn LOL you're subscription to the Guardian needs to be cancelled for us to take you seriously LOL

One thing for certain is Corbyn wouldn't have bowed to Biden /CIA and Zelensky would have signed a peace agreement in 2022 unlike Boris and his actions. We would have peace in Ukraine today. 

I'd go to as far as saying Julian Assange would be free and possibly we wouldn't have the genocide in Gaza today either. Possibly also the Brits would be out of NATO 

What absolute tosh. There was no material peace deal on the table as there were redlines that were never going to be met. He’s another ‘give peace a chance’ merchant, while ignoring the lack of good faith on the part of the belligerent Russian state. 

How would Assange be free? The PM nor the government has the power to intervene in that. So that’s just utter rubbish which indicates your total ignorance. 

 And how would he have brokered a stop if Israeli actions in Gaza? 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Corbyn ruined himself by being incapable of taking a proper position on Brexit, which was the key factor in the 2019 election. Leavers and remainers didn’t trust him. The Skripal Affair also cast serious doubts about his ability to manage key foreign affairs issues, and that would have re-appeared during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The fact that the 2019 Tory administration has failed Britain terribly is not proof that Corbyn would have succeeded, and it’s not sound analysis to place the blame at the foot of the media, particularly given the outcome in 2017.
The outcome in 2017 played a huge part as Corbyn nearly won that election as he was brilliant during the few weeks of campaigning and then the right wing media and establishment realised he was a threat to the way things were all always done and they set out to destroy him. On the next election there’s a good chance Starmer will be awful during the campaign and the Tory’s won’t get it as bad as that poll suggests.
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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Corbyn ruined himself by being incapable of taking a proper position on Brexit, which was the key factor in the 2019 election. Leavers and remainers didn’t trust him. The Skripal Affair also cast serious doubts about his ability to manage key foreign affairs issues, and that would have re-appeared during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The fact that the 2019 Tory administration has failed Britain terribly is not proof that Corbyn would have succeeded, and it’s not sound analysis to place the blame at the foot of the media, particularly given the outcome in 2017.
The outcome in 2017 played a huge part as Corbyn nearly won that election as he was brilliant during the few weeks of campaigning and then the right wing media and establishment realised he was a threat to the way things were all always done and they set out to destroy him. On the next election there’s a good chance Starmer will be awful during the campaign and the Tory’s won’t get it as bad as that poll suggests.

He didn’t ’nearly win it’, he stopped a Tory overall majority (which was closer than a Labour led ‘grand coalition.’ Corbyn had an excellent campaign, May had a dreadful one. And once that was over Corbyn actually had something of a honeymoon period. That stopped after the Skripal affair which proved a massive blow to his credibility (ignore what the Donkey says, his dismissal is wrong and ignorant of the importance of that). He then feel between two stools on the big issue of the day, Brexit, and couldn’t extract himself from his historical viewpoint and the viewpoint of the party. The media didn’t cause this, he caused it himself by effectively stepping off the pitch on the Brexit issue in 2019, and left the Remainers to vote Lib Dem/Green etc, and the leavers to vote Tory/BXP. But it was Trump-style myth that Corbyn won, or nearly won the 2017 election. In practical terms he delayed an inevitable outcome, and pointing fingers at the media just doesn’t reflect the nature of the 2019 election.
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Finally got to read about the poll in detail. It leaves Sunak in a difficult position to either call the election in the short term, or lurch on to the last moment. It’s a difficult one as either could backfire.
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