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    Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 1:12pm
Or maybe they won't.

All those players have played a number of games for Ireland already.

Maybe not with Cullen.
     
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

You'll soon be running out of players soon. Very soon.

So who would replace these players with?

Irelands midfield has been poor, i mean very poor for years. I'm specifically talking about the 50+ cap midfield players that have not improved us as a team. 

Looking at this qualification campaign as an example, we've scored 7 goals, 3 of those against Gibraltar. I appreciate formation and tactics are also a factor here.

Maybe Browne, Hourihane, Robinson, Cullen deserve more opportunities to see if they can do better. 
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

Bottom line here is that Hendrick, whelan, mcclean etc have not done enough in a green shirt to make a difference in games. 

Irelands midfield performances have been as poor against decent teams like Switzerland as they have been against minnows like Gibraltar for years.

Theres been moments in games where we looked ok but not enough to add up to a minute.

Time to give others a chance, they cant be much worse.


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You'll soon be running out of players soon. Very soon.

So who would replace these players with?
     
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Bottom line here is that Hendrick, whelan, mcclean etc have not done enough in a green shirt to make a difference in games. 

Irelands midfield performances have been as poor against decent teams like Switzerland as they have been against minnows like Gibraltar for years.

Theres been moments in games where we looked ok but not enough to add up to a minute.

Time to give others a chance, they cant be much worse.


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I’m of the opinion, and I am open to contradiction, that we would be a better side with any competent attacking midfielder ahead of Hendrick. More or less the same as your Whelan argument.
I think anyone that looks for the ball, even if he was sh*t on it, would give us an outlet. I think it is why Wes is still deified, despite constantly giving it away and being hugely overrated.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I get that GD, but surely he is part of that problem, rather than being a solution? 

For me Hendrick would be very replaceable as a player be it for Burnley (given the riches of the PL) and even for Ireland in the near future with the potential options we have coming through, provided they fill their early promise.

Given the fairly low ambitions of the two sides he plays for, I think he's more than capable of doing a job at the level he's expected to perform at.

Burnley's goal every year is to just stay in The Premiership and Ireland's is to keep ourselves in contention with a game or two to go to make a playoff for a major tournament.

Hendrick is firmly at his level in that regard 100%.
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Originally posted by howieb howieb wrote:

Same peoples views on players are delusional,  it makes you wonder have they ever kicked a ball in their lifes to understand the ability it takes to play in the Premier league. 
Never mind the English Premier league, to play in the Airtricity league takes a high standard of ability 
Jeff Hendrick is a regular starter in the premier league . If a player is not like David Silva or the likes people automatically think he's sh*te. 
I think Sean Dyche and the coaches at Burnley know a lot more about a player than posters on here 


But for some reason anyone defending Glenn Whelan is allowed to use his career at Stoke and the managers he's played under as counting for something, yet that never gets factored in when defending Hendrick even though hes a Premier League regular playing week in week out under Dyche?

It doesn't add up tbh!
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I get that GD, but surely he is part of that problem, rather than being a solution? 

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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

As I said, if you don’t have an opinion there would be no point to this place. I get that my reaction to him is extreme, but I just cannot see what he brings and never have. He seems to constantly shy from the ball in possession and hide.
He does have ability, but that’s what makes him so frustrating! He seems afraid to apply it. He has done a few great things in Ireland shirt; his dummy in Cardiff, his run against Georgia , his performance against Sweden in Paris, but they are regularly spaced out.
His touch is very good, yet he never looks for the ball! I just don’t understand it! He obviously brings something to teams and, like the other fall guy on here, Glenn Whelan, managers seem to like him, but, unlike Whelan, I can’t see what the see! I just see a player petrified of expressing himself. 
I reckon if you mixed him and Whelan we would have a top class player actually!

He plays in teams both at club level and at international incapable of keeping possession for any real length of time.

Our possession stats as well as Burnley's are never much better than 35% - 45% and that gets lower more often than not against far better sides, how can he be seen to be constantly wanting the ball when neither team ever has much of it in the first place?

Now if Burnley and Ireland were possession based sides and were playing through midfield time and time again I think you would have a firm case, but accusing a midfielder of not wanting the ball in sides who bypass midfield is a bit unfair. 


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Same peoples views on players are delusional,  it makes you wonder have they ever kicked a ball in their lifes to understand the ability it takes to play in the Premier league. 
Never mind the English Premier league, to play in the Airtricity league takes a high standard of ability 
Jeff Hendrick is a regular starter in the premier league . If a player is not like David Silva or the likes people automatically think he's sh*te. 
I think Sean Dyche and the coaches at Burnley know a lot more about a player than posters on here 

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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:



And yet he is still employed to be a professional footballer by a premier league team.
I'm sure you know better though!
Yes its a funny one, he does get paid to be a professional footballer at a club in the world's richest league and yet my eyes tell me emphatically and repeatedly that he is not very good at football Ermm Just one of those strange anomalies that exist in life and the world.
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Originally posted by Mr. Snrub Mr. Snrub wrote:

I'd love to hear Mr. Brick's opinion on these mudslinging viperous comments that are bordering on defamation. The despicable slandering and clap trap of Jeff's poor name is vile to the core 
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I'd love to hear Mr. Brick's opinion on these mudslinging viperous comments that are bordering on defamation. The despicable slandering and clap trap of Jeff's poor name is vile to the core 
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As I said, if you don’t have an opinion there would be no point to this place. I get that my reaction to him is extreme, but I just cannot see what he brings and never have. He seems to constantly shy from the ball in possession and hide.
He does have ability, but that’s what makes him so frustrating! He seems afraid to apply it. He has done a few great things in Ireland shirt; his dummy in Cardiff, his run against Georgia , his performance against Sweden in Paris, but they are regularly spaced out.
His touch is very good, yet he never looks for the ball! I just don’t understand it! He obviously brings something to teams and, like the other fall guy on here, Glenn Whelan, managers seem to like him, but, unlike Whelan, I can’t see what the see! I just see a player petrified of expressing himself. 
I reckon if you mixed him and Whelan we would have a top class player actually!


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Originally posted by bundy bundy wrote:

Lads, once again the analysis of Hendrick’s career and his ability is absolutely laughable.

He’s playing for a team who are 13th in the Premier League. He has missed 20 games since he has signed for them. How people can think he doesn’t add something to a team 13th in the most watched and scrutinised league in world football is mind blowing. How people think he can get away with doing nothing week in week is embarrassing and they come across as being thick. There is no other word for it. I’d put money on it he’s got more appearances in the league than any other Irish player since he signed for Burnley. 

Frustrating yes, a bluffer or a conman he is not. Take your heads out of your arses lads ffs. Trying to run him down at every opportunity makes you look absolutely clueless which is exactly what you are.
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Lads, once again the analysis of Hendrick’s career and his ability is absolutely laughable.

He’s playing for a team who are 13th in the Premier League. He has missed 20 games since he has signed for them. How people can think he doesn’t add something to a team 13th in the most watched and scrutinised league in world football is mind blowing. How people think he can get away with doing nothing week in week is embarrassing and they come across as being thick. There is no other word for it. I’d put money on it he’s got more appearances in the league than any other Irish player since he signed for Burnley. 

Frustrating yes, a bluffer or a conman he is not. Take your heads out of your arses lads ffs. Trying to run him down at every opportunity makes you look absolutely clueless which is exactly what you are.


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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Conan Conan wrote:

Merely appearing on the pitch a lot (not that you'd ever much notice he's there) does not make Hendrick an effective footballer. He has no useful attributes and contributes next to nothing. If there was a PFA worst Premier league eleven he would be captaining it every season. Burnley probably like to knock it long in order to bypass him as his usual effort is only to return the ball back to the sender anyway (any other endeavour will result in him quickly losing possession) 
At least other limited players we have  like McClean and Whelan get involved in the game and stuck in and make a contribution as far as their abilities allow. Hendrick brings nothing to the table. 

And yet he is still employed to be a professional footballer by a premier league team.
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