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    Posted: 14 Oct 2022 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Whether the manager is Kerr or Kenny, players will start asking what do they know about the game at that level, especially when things start going south. I'm sure it happens at club football as well. 

Luckily no sign of this, at least thus far in the Kenny era. He seems to have engendered a pretty good team spirit among the group based on everything I have seen/read. Dont recall any of the current crop having a pop, they all seem committed to the cause and to the management team. Everyone seems to be pulling in the same direction.

It's the ex-pros and ex-managers raising these kind of issues regarding Kenny, funnily enough Kerr being one such Smile
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Whether the manager is Kerr or Kenny, players will start asking what do they know about the game at that level, especially when things start going south. I'm sure it happens at club football as well. 
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

But McAteer was around the Irish squad when Kerr was coaching the underage teams to semi-finals of World Championships and to two European titles. Also, many of the players who played with McAteer around that time came via Kerr’s management.

It’s a bizarre retrospective, and sadly I think shines a bit of a light on the idea that from some players you’d get more respect as a merry-go-round journeyman manager in the UK, that has never lifted a trophy, than if you actually have achieved in the game.
 

What would McAteer know about Irish football though? He probably wasn't even aware of the underage teams successes with Kerr.
I'd be of the view that this says more about McAteer than anything else.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Petty comments from McAteer, but I believe Shay Given said something along the same lines about Kerr. So it wasn't a view restricted only to McAteer.


Someone posted the comments from his book on foot.ie,

"When it came to Brian's managerial style I felt it was a wee bit naive and basic for the very highest level. I don't mean to do him a diservice but it seemed a bit up-and-at-'em - just get stuck in and see what happens. He had only worked with young players and, for me, it felt like he was a bit too inexperienced in getting the best out of lads who'd played in the Premier League."
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Petty comments from McAteer, but I believe Shay Given said something along the same lines about Kerr. So it wasn't a view restricted only to McAteer.
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He played with the likes of Keane and Duff who were going through that system at the same time as they were first being capped. The idea that he didn’t know him is fanciful. But, the idea that his view of who he’d take instruction from would be influenced by what he though a manager should be makes more sense.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

But McAteer was around the Irish squad when Kerr was coaching the underage teams to semi-finals of World Championships and to two European titles. Also, many of the players who played with McAteer around that time came via Kerr’s management.

It’s a bizarre retrospective, and sadly I think shines a bit of a light on the idea that from some players you’d get more respect as a merry-go-round journeyman manager in the UK, that has never lifted a trophy, than if you actually have achieved in the game.
 

What would McAteer know about Irish football though? He probably wasn't even aware of the underage teams successes with Kerr.
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But McAteer was around the Irish squad when Kerr was coaching the underage teams to semi-finals of World Championships and to two European titles. Also, many of the players who played with McAteer around that time came via Kerr’s management.

It’s a bizarre retrospective, and sadly I think shines a bit of a light on the idea that from some players you’d get more respect as a merry-go-round journeyman manager in the UK, that has never lifted a trophy, than if you actually have achieved in the game.
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Exactly ^

I'm sure there are others who felt the same as McAteer too.
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McAteer said he didn't have a lot of respect for Kerr based on his lack of achievement in the
senior game. Its a valid opinion, but I don't see much point in expressing it publicly. Had Kerr taken a pop at him previously or something?
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Jason McAteer with some predictably moronic comments about Kerr's reign.


Andy Reid contradicted what he said about the players not respecting him so McAteer doubles down on the cheek and stupidity.

Stephen Cluxton didn't punch that lad in the face hard enough.
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I seem to remember Kerr getting some decent results when managing the Faroes?
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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Looking back I no longer buy the idea that Euro 92 was a missed opportunity to win a major tournament. We weren’t beating major opposition, and I think beyond the group the likes of the Dutch would have beaten us. 


Euro 2000 was a bigger missed opportunity IMO. We'd a good blend of youth and experience and had beaten Croatia x2 in qualifying who finished 3rd in the '98 World Cup as well as beating a strong Yugoslavia that narrowly lost to the Dutch in the last 16 of the same competition. Then you had our results in the 2002 qualifiers a win and a draw against the Dutch and x2 draws vs Portugal. Plus our results/performances vs Germany and Spain in the finals themselves.

Turkey who took our place at Euro 2000 were in a group with Italy, Sweden and Belgium and got out of it with a win and a draw playing Portugal in Quarter finals.

I also think Roy Keane was at his peak.

We did lack a combination of solid centre backs at the time, with Cunningham being the obvious strong link. But there were players like Carr coming of age, and at Leeds they were about to embark on the Champions League run with several Irish players there. You might have even had a wild card selection like Alan Mahon.

I think we weren’t strong enough in some areas, but it was a missed opportunity.
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Originally posted by Bandwagon Bandwagon wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Looking back I no longer buy the idea that Euro 92 was a missed opportunity to win a major tournament. We weren’t beating major opposition, and I think beyond the group the likes of the Dutch would have beaten us. 


Euro 2000 was a bigger missed opportunity IMO. We'd a good blend of youth and experience and had beaten Croatia x2 in qualifying who finished 3rd in the '98 World Cup as well

Ask Davor Suker about that 93rd minute winner Embarrassed I take your point but looking back I think McCarthy only had the team with a stable mentality for the 2002 campaign. Before that we were all over the shop at times, we had the talent just not the self-belief to finish the job. Away form in eastern Europe particularly cost us

Iceland + Lithuania home draws
Romania away
the famous Macedonia defeat
Iceland and Lithuania away were very nearly disasters
Belgium playoff at home, throwing it away after a cracking start
Yugoslavia away
Malta away 3-2 was another near catastrophe
the late sucker punch in Croatia
Macedonia say no more
Turkey playoff, again making it hard for our selves with the away goal

Granted the wins against Croatia and Yugoslavia in Dublin were top class, particularly the dramatic Yugoslavia win, one of the best goals ever scored in Lansdowne. 



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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Brian Kerr is an arsehole.  His time as manager was one of the most boring periods watching us play.  Had a team full of very good young players and he ruined their creativity and flair.  We played the most boring football and would always start lively, score then sit back for the rest of the 85 mins until the inevitable conceded equaliser.

He wasted a generation at their peak

He was the most boring until Trapattoni and O'Neill came along LOL


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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Brian Kerr is an arsehole.  His time as manager was one of the most boring periods watching us play.  Had a team full of very good young players and he ruined their creativity and flair.  We played the most boring football and would always start lively, score then sit back for the rest of the 85 mins until the inevitable conceded equaliser.

He wasted a generation at their peak

He was the most boring until Trapattoni and O'Neill came along LOL
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Looking back I no longer buy the idea that Euro 92 was a missed opportunity to win a major tournament. We weren’t beating major opposition, and I think beyond the group the likes of the Dutch would have beaten us. 


Euro 2000 was a bigger missed opportunity IMO. We'd a good blend of youth and experience and had beaten Croatia x2 in qualifying who finished 3rd in the '98 World Cup as well as beating a strong Yugoslavia that narrowly lost to the Dutch in the last 16 of the same competition. Then you had our results in the 2002 qualifiers a win and a draw against the Dutch and x2 draws vs Portugal. Plus our results/performances vs Germany and Spain in the finals themselves.

Turkey who took our place at Euro 2000 were in a group with Italy, Sweden and Belgium and got out of it with a win and a draw playing Portugal in Quarter finals.
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Honestly, I’m not sure it was just down to mentality. Apart from Spain in 1989, beating major team escaped us a bit and the Euro 92 qualifiers showed signs of decline. Poland away being an obvious one, but we were toothless against Poland in Dublin.
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