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https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/oct/31/exhibition-stories-irish-immigration-great-britain-since-1970s


Should be part of history curriculum thought in secondary schools in my opinion,, great idea,, generation kept Ireland a float sending money back,, and where would we have gone on holidays before ryanair existed :), had we not had relatives across on the ferry
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Did my time on the sites in london and lived in some kips like harlesdon and kensal but the irish community was always great few pints on a sunday in the bell when we were skint
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Originally posted by SportingRizlaCF SportingRizlaCF wrote:

Did my time on the sites in london and lived in some kips like harlesdon and kensal but the irish community was always great few pints on a sunday in the bell when we were skint

Lived on the Church End Estate in Harlesden for a year '84/'85, plenty of Irish there and on the Chalk Hill Estate in Wembley. Worked on a site in South Kensington during that time, a couple of Irish lads were killed on a site on nearby Cromwell Road. 
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Just imagine if we didn't have the safety valve of the UK for work...Some of our greatest & loyal supporters were english born/irish going back years. 
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Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/oct/31/exhibition-stories-irish-immigration-great-britain-since-1970s


Should be part of history curriculum thought in secondary schools in my opinion,, great idea,, generation kept Ireland a float sending money back,, and where would we have gone on holidays before ryanair existed :), had we not had relatives across on the ferry
 

Re curriculum absolutely right but sadly won't happen.

I was talking to a young fella recently about the famine and he didn't believe me and he was staggered after he researched it.
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The Irish built the highways, England wouldn't have a road system if it wasn't for the Irish. 
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Originally posted by SunlunBhoy SunlunBhoy wrote:

The Irish built the highways, England wouldn't have a road system if it wasn't for the Irish. 
 

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Alwen Dam in North Wales is only a few miles from where the song's protagonists landed, and was built by Sir Robert McAlpine's company
The song mentions the Isle of Grain. This is the power station there

McAlpine's Fusiliers is an Irish ballad set to a traditional air, popularised in the early 1960s by Dominic Behan.[1][2]

The song relates to the migration of Irish labourers from Ireland to Britain during the 20th century.[3] The ballad's title refers to the eponymous construction company of Sir Robert McAlpine, a major employer of Irish workmen at the time.[4] John Laing and Wimpey (also referred to in the opening monologue; an integral part of the ballad although not included in some cover versions of the song) were other major construction companies employing Irish 'navvies' (a British term referring to building labourers and originally coined for the labourers who built the British canals or 'navigations').[4]

The colloquial and local terms in the song's monologue and lyrics include references to a 'spike' (a hostel or 'reception centre' sometimes used by Irish navvies who could not find or afford lodgings) and to 'shuttering' (a rapidly constructed wooden casing made to hold concrete while it sets). Holyhead, also referred to in the monologue, is a port on Anglesey (Ynys Môn) in Wales where the main ferry service across the Irish Sea from Dún Laoghaire used to dock. Cricklewood is a district of North West London which had a relatively large Irish population. The Isle of Grain is an area in Kent where the River Medway joins the Thames Estuary east of London which was a large construction site for several years while a large power station was built there.[1] The song offers a satirical view of the life and work of the Irish labourers of the times and as such proved popular.[5]

Some sources suggest that the words of the song were derived from an earlier poem or poems by Irish labourer Martin Henry,[1] with the song's arrangement attributed to Dominic Behan.[1] Along with a number of other songs, Behan provided the song to The Dubliners for use in a new set-structure.[citation needed] In its original form, the song was performed in two parts, a spoken monologue (originally spoken by Ronnie Drew of the Dubliners self-accompanied by his flamenco guitar) followed by the sung verses supported by the full band.[6]

The song has also been recorded by Paddy ReillyThe Clancy BrothersThe Capitol Showband,[7] Pecker Dunne,[8] the Young Dubliners and others.[9]   














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Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by SunlunBhoy SunlunBhoy wrote:

The Irish built the highways, England wouldn't have a road system if it wasn't for the Irish. 
 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Alwen Dam in North Wales is only a few miles from where the song's protagonists landed, and was built by Sir Robert McAlpine's company
The song mentions the Isle of Grain. This is the power station there

McAlpine's Fusiliers is an Irish ballad set to a traditional air, popularised in the early 1960s by Dominic Behan.[1][2]

The song relates to the migration of Irish labourers from Ireland to Britain during the 20th century.[3] The ballad's title refers to the eponymous construction company of Sir Robert McAlpine, a major employer of Irish workmen at the time.[4] John Laing and Wimpey (also referred to in the opening monologue; an integral part of the ballad although not included in some cover versions of the song) were other major construction companies employing Irish 'navvies' (a British term referring to building labourers and originally coined for the labourers who built the British canals or 'navigations').[4]

The colloquial and local terms in the song's monologue and lyrics include references to a 'spike' (a hostel or 'reception centre' sometimes used by Irish navvies who could not find or afford lodgings) and to 'shuttering' (a rapidly constructed wooden casing made to hold concrete while it sets). Holyhead, also referred to in the monologue, is a port on Anglesey (Ynys Môn) in Wales where the main ferry service across the Irish Sea from Dún Laoghaire used to dock. Cricklewood is a district of North West London which had a relatively large Irish population. The Isle of Grain is an area in Kent where the River Medway joins the Thames Estuary east of London which was a large construction site for several years while a large power station was built there.[1] The song offers a satirical view of the life and work of the Irish labourers of the times and as such proved popular.[5]

Some sources suggest that the words of the song were derived from an earlier poem or poems by Irish labourer Martin Henry,[1] with the song's arrangement attributed to Dominic Behan.[1] Along with a number of other songs, Behan provided the song to The Dubliners for use in a new set-structure.[citation needed] In its original form, the song was performed in two parts, a spoken monologue (originally spoken by Ronnie Drew of the Dubliners self-accompanied by his flamenco guitar) followed by the sung verses supported by the full band.[6]

The song has also been recorded by Paddy ReillyThe Clancy BrothersThe Capitol Showband,[7] Pecker Dunne,[8] the Young Dubliners and others.[9]   












Great song that. There’s another song The Flight of the Earls if you listen to the lyrics it kind of references that song it’s actually a bit derogatory it says we have Brains now as if the people coming earlier didn’t.
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Just imagine if we didn't have the safety valve of the UK for work...Some of our greatest & loyal supporters were english born/irish going back years. 

and Players dont forget LOL
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The Irish built the highways, England wouldn't have a road system if it wasn't for the Irish. 


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