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 Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 10:30am |
 lassassinblanc wrote:
I kind of felt like not responding to the last few posts, but that would be probably by definition be seen as burying the head in the sand.
What happens in Saudi Arabia in terms of the death penalty is horrible we can all agree, but we can also all agree that that is the law of the country.
As bundy says it happens in other places too. I'm not condoning it far from it.
Eddie Howe got ripped to shreds by the media for refusing to answer a question about the executions the other day, Tuchel got praised for answering one question about the Ukraine issue but when asked again he responded basically in the same way Eddie Howe did, with I'm a football manager stop asking me these questions I have no answers to.
I'm sure Eddie Howe could have answered the same way but chose to say he'd only talk about football as that is his job.
Jonathan Wilson wrote a great piece the other day about the topic of owners and PL which is well worth a read
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Firmly disagree - Eddie Howe took that job knowing exactly who he was going to be paying his wages. People will continue asking him those questions for that very reason.
I actually like Eddie Howe as a coach and he would have grown up with friends of mine but I think he is wrong in this instance.
And as for this being the law of the county etc well yes nobody can change the law of the country only the rulers. But maybe if people let it be known they were totally against this and did so in such a high profile environment as the premier league then this might give them cause for thought.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 10:31am |
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Lass, thanks for sharing that. And I’m not naive enough to believe that complaints about ownership tend to be focussed on investment “on the pitch”. Fans love suggesting a “massive clear out” and estimating transfer budgets based on arbitrary figures to be recouped for dead wood, and horse traded figures for incoming. That rarely works. But that’s where fans get their kicks. And if that can happen by way of massive investment, they generally won’t turn their noses up at it, no matter what people say about the source of wealth.
In reality though, Newcastle and Chelsea will be held to a higher standards due to geo-political links. Trawl through every activity of every sponsor, and you’ll probably find something. Other owners also are involved in other industries that are not necessarily of high repute. Online gambling advertisement is relentless. The list goes on and on. But that doesn’t mean that Newcastle and Chelsea ought not be held to a higher standard, questions asked, and answered.
To “focus on the football” and “what can I do about it” is just a sign of ignoring the elephant in the room. As I’ve always held out, Newcastle have a passionate and strong fan base that have stood up to previous owners, and willingly asked questions of management. To all of a sudden step back just seems far too transparent to me. |
I 100% agree, fans should be asking questions, we all should.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 10:38am |
Borussia wrote:
lassassinblanc wrote:
I kind of felt like not responding to the last few posts, but that would be probably by definition be seen as burying the head in the sand.
What happens in Saudi Arabia in terms of the death penalty is horrible we can all agree, but we can also all agree that that is the law of the country.
As bundy says it happens in other places too. I'm not condoning it far from it.
Eddie Howe got ripped to shreds by the media for refusing to answer a question about the executions the other day, Tuchel got praised for answering one question about the Ukraine issue but when asked again he responded basically in the same way Eddie Howe did, with I'm a football manager stop asking me these questions I have no answers to.
I'm sure Eddie Howe could have answered the same way but chose to say he'd only talk about football as that is his job.
Jonathan Wilson wrote a great piece the other day about the topic of owners and PL which is well worth a read
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Firmly disagree - Eddie Howe took that job knowing exactly who he was going to be paying his wages. People will continue asking him those questions for that very reason.
I actually like Eddie Howe as a coach and he would have grown up with friends of mine but I think he is wrong in this instance.
And as for this being the law of the county etc well yes nobody can change the law of the country only the rulers. But maybe if people let it be known they were totally against this and did so in such a high profile environment as the premier league then this might give them cause for thought. |
Again I agree. obviously Howe knew what he was getting himself into, and perhaps he should have answered the question differently and he will of course get many more questions about this in the future.
I'd also like to point out we have no idea what Howe has probably discussed in private with the owners.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 11:13am |
Borussia wrote:
lassassinblanc wrote:
I kind of felt like not responding to the last few posts, but that would be probably by definition be seen as burying the head in the sand.
What happens in Saudi Arabia in terms of the death penalty is horrible we can all agree, but we can also all agree that that is the law of the country.
As bundy says it happens in other places too. I'm not condoning it far from it.
Eddie Howe got ripped to shreds by the media for refusing to answer a question about the executions the other day, Tuchel got praised for answering one question about the Ukraine issue but when asked again he responded basically in the same way Eddie Howe did, with I'm a football manager stop asking me these questions I have no answers to.
I'm sure Eddie Howe could have answered the same way but chose to say he'd only talk about football as that is his job.
Jonathan Wilson wrote a great piece the other day about the topic of owners and PL which is well worth a read
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Firmly disagree - Eddie Howe took that job knowing exactly who he was going to be paying his wages. People will continue asking him those questions for that very reason.
I actually like Eddie Howe as a coach and he would have grown up with friends of mine but I think he is wrong in this instance.
And as for this being the law of the county etc well yes nobody can change the law of the country only the rulers. But maybe if people let it be known they were totally against this and did so in such a high profile environment as the premier league then this might give them cause for thought. |
You think Newcastle fans voicing their disapproval of the death penalty in Saudi Arabia would alter their thinking? That’s cute.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 11:26am |
BrendanD88 wrote:
Borussia wrote:
lassassinblanc wrote:
I kind of felt like not responding to the last few posts, but that would be probably by definition be seen as burying the head in the sand.
What happens in Saudi Arabia in terms of the death penalty is horrible we can all agree, but we can also all agree that that is the law of the country.
As bundy says it happens in other places too. I'm not condoning it far from it.
Eddie Howe got ripped to shreds by the media for refusing to answer a question about the executions the other day, Tuchel got praised for answering one question about the Ukraine issue but when asked again he responded basically in the same way Eddie Howe did, with I'm a football manager stop asking me these questions I have no answers to.
I'm sure Eddie Howe could have answered the same way but chose to say he'd only talk about football as that is his job.
Jonathan Wilson wrote a great piece the other day about the topic of owners and PL which is well worth a read
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Firmly disagree - Eddie Howe took that job knowing exactly who he was going to be paying his wages. People will continue asking him those questions for that very reason.
I actually like Eddie Howe as a coach and he would have grown up with friends of mine but I think he is wrong in this instance.
And as for this being the law of the county etc well yes nobody can change the law of the country only the rulers. But maybe if people let it be known they were totally against this and did so in such a high profile environment as the premier league then this might give them cause for thought. |
You think Newcastle fans voicing their disapproval of the death penalty in Saudi Arabia would alter their thinking? That’s cute.
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If you don't think it would make a difference then that's not cute, that's naive. The Saudis have bought Newcastle to sportswash their reputation - They want you to look at football and them and forget about the appalling human rights record. By definition, if looking at football drew more attention to this then obviously that is the opposite of what they want. And that does have consequences - Imagine if that attention drove sponsors away, such as happened with Chelsea. Do you not think that might make a difference?
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 12:41pm |
Borussia wrote:
lassassinblanc wrote:
I kind of felt like not responding to the last few posts, but that would be probably by definition be seen as burying the head in the sand.
What happens in Saudi Arabia in terms of the death penalty is horrible we can all agree, but we can also all agree that that is the law of the country.
As bundy says it happens in other places too. I'm not condoning it far from it.
Eddie Howe got ripped to shreds by the media for refusing to answer a question about the executions the other day, Tuchel got praised for answering one question about the Ukraine issue but when asked again he responded basically in the same way Eddie Howe did, with I'm a football manager stop asking me these questions I have no answers to.
I'm sure Eddie Howe could have answered the same way but chose to say he'd only talk about football as that is his job.
Jonathan Wilson wrote a great piece the other day about the topic of owners and PL which is well worth a read
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Firmly disagree - Eddie Howe took that job knowing exactly who he was going to be paying his wages. People will continue asking him those questions for that very reason.
I actually like Eddie Howe as a coach and he would have grown up with friends of mine but I think he is wrong in this instance.
And as for this being the law of the county etc well yes nobody can change the law of the country only the rulers. But maybe if people let it be known they were totally against this and did so in such a high profile environment as the premier league then this might give them cause for thought. |
Hang on a second, Gary Neville was berating Howe and the club for the owners they have but then literally one minute later he said he was supportive of Saudi money coming into the country and into the Premier League “up until a few days ago” I believe his words were, I’m open to correction on that.
The likes of Neville and Carragher annoy me no end, they were all for the takeover a few months ago and now all of a sudden they’re skating Eddie Howe, the fans and the club. It’s not as if Saudi Arabia introduced executions and beheadings last week. Typical of the two of them to use their platform to push their latest agenda. The thing being lost in all of this are the reasons the 81 people were executed. Rapists, murderers of police men, terrorists, bank robbers etc. the list is endless. I’m not condoning the executions because the death penalty is stoneage stuff. But I don’t see anyone up in arms because the USA still give people the electric chair in some states. Executions are wrong, but they’re also the law over there. Let’s not forget that.
Rupert Murdoch and Sky Sports are the sole reason the likes of Abramovich, Saudi PIF and those other billionaires are now the only ones in a position to buy Premier League clubs. I never see this being mentioned by Carragher or Neville - for obvious reasons.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 12:49pm |
Whataboutery Alert!!!!
And for the record, most people despise the US’s use of the death penalty, which happens to be regularly suspended at federal level as the legality of the penalty is constantly examined by the Supreme Court and Courts at local level.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 2:38pm |
bundy wrote:
Borussia wrote:
lassassinblanc wrote:
I kind of felt like not responding to the last few posts, but that would be probably by definition be seen as burying the head in the sand.
What happens in Saudi Arabia in terms of the death penalty is horrible we can all agree, but we can also all agree that that is the law of the country.
As bundy says it happens in other places too. I'm not condoning it far from it.
Eddie Howe got ripped to shreds by the media for refusing to answer a question about the executions the other day, Tuchel got praised for answering one question about the Ukraine issue but when asked again he responded basically in the same way Eddie Howe did, with I'm a football manager stop asking me these questions I have no answers to.
I'm sure Eddie Howe could have answered the same way but chose to say he'd only talk about football as that is his job.
Jonathan Wilson wrote a great piece the other day about the topic of owners and PL which is well worth a read
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Firmly disagree - Eddie Howe took that job knowing exactly who he was going to be paying his wages. People will continue asking him those questions for that very reason.
I actually like Eddie Howe as a coach and he would have grown up with friends of mine but I think he is wrong in this instance.
And as for this being the law of the county etc well yes nobody can change the law of the country only the rulers. But maybe if people let it be known they were totally against this and did so in such a high profile environment as the premier league then this might give them cause for thought. |
Hang on a second, Gary Neville was berating Howe and the club for the owners they have but then literally one minute later he said he was supportive of Saudi money coming into the country and into the Premier League “up until a few days ago” I believe his words were, I’m open to correction on that.
The likes of Neville and Carragher annoy me no end, they were all for the takeover a few months ago and now all of a sudden they’re skating Eddie Howe, the fans and the club. It’s not as if Saudi Arabia introduced executions and beheadings last week. Typical of the two of them to use their platform to push their latest agenda. The thing being lost in all of this are the reasons the 81 people were executed. Rapists, murderers of police men, terrorists, bank robbers etc. the list is endless. I’m not condoning the executions because the death penalty is stoneage stuff. But I don’t see anyone up in arms because the USA still give people the electric chair in some states. Executions are wrong, but they’re also the law over there. Let’s not forget that.
Rupert Murdoch and Sky Sports are the sole reason the likes of Abramovich, Saudi PIF and those other billionaires are now the only ones in a position to buy Premier League clubs. I never see this being mentioned by Carragher or Neville - for obvious reasons. |
I believe Amnesty International have raised concerns about the lack of fair trials.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 2:41pm |
I understand, indeed sympathise with, the dilemma which NUFC fans face. It must be very hard to turn your back on the club you've supported all your life.
But it needn't take a boycott of matches to make a point, for when Ashley was in charge, they still managed to make their feelings about him clear, while continuing to pack out SJP every week. And no-one is claiming Ashley is somehow a "worse" human being than MBS, are they?
Or perhaps even more pertinent was the reaction to the six English clubs invited to jpoin the European Super League, when their fans were all pretty much unanimous, even united as a group,, in ensuring that it simply shouldn't happen. Ultimately they prevailed by insisting that they would no longer continue to support them if it went ahead. Of course experience might have proven different if the ESL had actually got off the ground, but the owners clearly weren't prepared to take that chance:
And all that was for something which from a purely selfish pov, was arguably going to benefit fans by guarateeing their place at football's Top Table every season.
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Executions are an abhorrence in a long list of atrocities that the Saudi regime commit.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 4:15pm |
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A fine day for Newcastle United fans yesterday - I believe 81 executions by an owner is a new Premier League record |
Convicted of terror related offences. I’m not excusing executions but it’s not like they handpicked 81 random people in a shopping centre and gunned them down.
The virtue signalling going on lately is absolutely laughable when it comes to Newcastle. Nobody said a word about Liverpool’s title sponsor, a British owned bank, funding ISIS. |
Ahh Bundy, if you follow this section UAE City and Chelsea are mostly disliked based on their owners and that has been highlighted numerous times over many, many years.
But yes, Newcastle are been victimised here. Could you bury your head any further?
What has happened to Abrahamovich is just shining a light on Newcastle. And it's not going to go away, it will get worse. Once the sponsors pull out which they will, the beheaders and body choppers will be selling up.
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Newcastle do seem to be getting it worse than other clubs, not that I care because I’m from Ireland and I have zero real connection to the club or the city. All I want is to watch the players on the pitch do well whenever they play because it gives me enjoyment. However, the Glaziers were big money men for Trump and Liverpool’s main sponsor knowingly laundered money for Isis and the taliban. Not a word about it at all. Man United also partnered with PIF in 2017, again not a word about it.
Do I agree with what happens in Saudi? No I don’t. Nor do I agree with what goes on in parts of America where the death penalty is in place. Like it or not, it’s the law in these places. Executions are lawful and while we don’t agree with it, it happens and there’s nothing I can do about it.
All this talk about “blood money” being pumped into Newcastle is nonsense. It’s oil money. And the funniest thing of all is the people so enraged about Saudi will be tuning in to the World Cup in Qatar and you can be sure all the “outraged” football journalists will be over there. |
No country should be allowed own clubs for starters. You're missing the point. Man United are owned by Business men, they may be ugly and unlikeable but that's all they are.
Newcastle is owned by a despotic run country, the chairman Mohammed Bin Salman is a murderer. He had the journalist Jamal Khashoggi chopped up into nice little pieces. They are involved in the Yemen war.
Abrahmovich is gone for links to a dictator that had his enemies killed in foreign countries.
Newcastle are owned and run by a crown of dictators that do the same things.
Would you send your children to a school owned by rapists? Just because they run the school very well and are rarely at the school?
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Posted: 15 Mar 2022 at 4:26pm |
Artie Ziff wrote:
bundy wrote:
Artie Ziff wrote:
bundy wrote:
Borussia wrote:
A fine day for Newcastle United fans yesterday - I believe 81 executions by an owner is a new Premier League record |
Convicted of terror related offences. I’m not excusing executions but it’s not like they handpicked 81 random people in a shopping centre and gunned them down.
The virtue signalling going on lately is absolutely laughable when it comes to Newcastle. Nobody said a word about Liverpool’s title sponsor, a British owned bank, funding ISIS. |
Ahh Bundy, if you follow this section UAE City and Chelsea are mostly disliked based on their owners and that has been highlighted numerous times over many, many years.
But yes, Newcastle are been victimised here. Could you bury your head any further?
What has happened to Abrahamovich is just shining a light on Newcastle. And it's not going to go away, it will get worse. Once the sponsors pull out which they will, the beheaders and body choppers will be selling up.
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Newcastle do seem to be getting it worse than other clubs, not that I care because I’m from Ireland and I have zero real connection to the club or the city. All I want is to watch the players on the pitch do well whenever they play because it gives me enjoyment. However, the Glaziers were big money men for Trump and Liverpool’s main sponsor knowingly laundered money for Isis and the taliban. Not a word about it at all. Man United also partnered with PIF in 2017, again not a word about it.
Do I agree with what happens in Saudi? No I don’t. Nor do I agree with what goes on in parts of America where the death penalty is in place. Like it or not, it’s the law in these places. Executions are lawful and while we don’t agree with it, it happens and there’s nothing I can do about it.
All this talk about “blood money” being pumped into Newcastle is nonsense. It’s oil money. And the funniest thing of all is the people so enraged about Saudi will be tuning in to the World Cup in Qatar and you can be sure all the “outraged” football journalists will be over there. |
No country should be allowed own clubs for starters. You're missing the point. Man United are owned by Business men, they may be ugly and unlikeable but that's all they are.
Newcastle is owned by a despotic run country, the chairman Mohammed Bin Salman is a murderer. He had the journalist Jamal Khashoggi chopped up into nice little pieces. They are involved in the Yemen war.
Abrahmovich is gone for links to a dictator that had his enemies killed in foreign countries.
Newcastle are owned and run by a crown of dictators that do the same things.
Would you send your children to a school owned by rapists? Just because they run the school very well and are rarely at the school?
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Just to point out Newcastle whether you wish to believe or not is not owned by the country of Saudi Arabia it's 80% owned by the Public Investment Fund (which was cleared by PL as not being the Saudi Government), 10% by RB Sports & Media (The Reuben Brothers) and 10% by PCP Capital Partners (Amanda Staveley)
The Chairman of Newcastle is Yasir Al-Rumayyan not Mohammed Bin Salman
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Thanks for clearing that up
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New Away kit for next season, I think this is going to live rent free in a few peoples head
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Lucky to come away with a point yesterday as Nick Pope was easily the MOTM.
Definitely need another striker and a play maker as when Wilson and ASM have off days there isn't much to offer from the bench .
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