The rejects who only got tickets from the Quarters

Basically your entire post vidic

FrankosHereNow wrote: Basically your entire post vidic

sorry, as i said, was in the pub so posts might not make sense! but basically the 300 or so of us that went to Moscow were told we'd be okay for tickets for travelling that far and its turned out that wasnt true at all and like many ive ended up with no group stage tickets and just quarter final tickets.

FrankosHereNow wrote: Makes sense now, I agree, you were rightly shafted.

We were but no point getting worked up over it, we're all still alive and in good health, nothing to get worked up over and it'll all work out in the end

planning wrote:   We need flights because of where we are. Everyone else can get buses and trains to get around, even the English. They won't of course, but they could if they had to.

I'm in this group and so is a fellow ST holder. We're not rejects, we're optimistic supporters. I can't wait for the Ireland v France rematch. I'll be there. We'll be putting that night in Paris behind us, once and for all. 

planning wrote: soccerc wrote: The reason everyone would have been accommodated for tickets in Ukraine is simply down to the logistics of travelling to and around the country.   Had England been in Poland they expected up to100,000 to arrive whereas they now believe less than 10000 will make the trip. Ukraine is not a third world country, everything is available. England won't bother travelling because not enough of them want to pay the cost of accommodation. Neither do we in Poland, so we'll end up in tents, campsites, vans, and well away from the host cities instead. Sweden got the one-way ticket to Kiev, so they can set up camp for the week, and have literally thousands of tickets available. As for those crying over the travel logistics, many of our fans are experienced long-haul travellers, some were up and down Italy in 1990, and USA in 94, so it should make a few hours travelling in Ukraine seem a spin.

We wouldn't have come close to selling our allocation for Ukraine either. 

Ukraine accommodation includes over 4,000 euro per night for a 4 star hotel and hundreds per night for the kips.  The logistics are a nightmare.   Hence England have failed to sell their ticket allocation as have anybody else there.      

In Poland we have the option of staying at normal prices in places like Torun, Bydgoszcz and Lodz.  There were also deals available in the host cities until shortly after the draw.

There were no such options for Ukraine.  I got qf tickets for Donetsk a year ago.  I tried loads of ways of going to that game but couldn't get any accommodation at a reasonable (or even somewhat unreasonable price).  In the end I gave up.  If we go to Donetsk I will be there and will sleep in the airport or train station if needs be but most are not willing to do that.

planning wrote: gspain wrote: We wouldn't have come close to selling our allocation for Ukraine either.  Ukraine accommodation includes over 4,000 euro per night for a 4 star hotel and hundreds per night for the kips.  The logistics are a nightmare.   Hence England have failed to sell their ticket allocation as have anybody else there.       In Poland we have the option of staying at normal prices in places like Torun, Bydgoszcz and Lodz.  There were also deals available in the host cities until shortly after the draw. At the end of the day, you have to look at priorities. Is it more important to see the games, or more important to have bullet trains and affordable hotels? For me, the games are the trip. I can take the inconvenience involved if it means I get to see the game, and I would have no trouble seeing them in Ukraine, I would get the tickets I wanted too, none of this different category stuff. If the budget isn't enough, then you can pick and choose what games you want to go to. We will find a way of getting to the venues. Germans can base themselves if needed, in Kiev and travel in and out of there for their games. With respect, the cities mentioned above are also quite far from where we're playing. Poland may have the infrastructure, but it is a big rather dull country, and 10 days in some of those cities will be, even with daily piss-ups, hard going.

Edited by colemanY2K - 19 Mar 2012 at 1:38pm

colemanY2K wrote: proposed legalisation of prostitution in the Ukraine

 

gspain wrote:   Ukraine have tried the South Africa trick of ripping everyone off on the basis that they'll travel anyway and pay the sky high prices.  It didn't work in South Africa and it sure looks like it has failed miserably for Ukraine.  Note Gdansk and Poznan have tried to some extent too but have just lost out to other Polish cities.