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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roberto Baggio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 2022 at 5:30pm
Agree with Terri in that a major part of City's current and most recent success is down to Pep. 

Pellegrini and Mancini had the tools that he did, if not an even greater spending power considering the drawbridge of FFP hadn't been pulled up yet when Mancini got the job. They weren't able to win back to back titles or hit the points tallies season after season that Pep has been hitting. 
This is a Pep thing if you look at his career as a manager and the point totals he can accumulate

When he goes there'll be a drop off for sure. 

Also might be worth reminding people that City hit record income from transfers out of the club for an EPL team in the most recent transfer window. They had to sell before they could bring in new players. Refreshed the squad all at a profit. 
 
In the last five years over half of the teams in the league have a higher net spend than City. 
Spending doesn't guarantee success



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Terzino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 2022 at 4:29pm
The super clubs are not infallible. Both Manchester City and PSG should have won a European Cup by now, for instance.

And they may suffer when transitioning from a successful manager. (Juventus won 8 titles in a row but then put the novice Pirlo in charge.)

However, when Guardiola goes, you'd expect Man City to replace him with the next big thing. But even if they don't do that, and make a poor choice - what will happen?

Newcastle United will probably fill the void. 

One state backed team replaced by another. And they will win the Premier League with 30 (plus) wins, dropping points in only a handful of games.

A change of champion does not equal competition in such a scenario, because the English football is meant to be far more competitive than that.
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Originally posted by Terzino Terzino wrote:

However, when Guardiola goes, you'd expect Man City to replace him with the next big thing. But even if they don't do that, and make a poor choice - what will happen?

Newcastle United will probably fill the void. 

One state backed team replaced by another. And they will win the Premier League with 30 (plus) wins, dropping points in only a handful of games.

Im not speaking for Newcastle, much less their scummy owners etc, but it is worth pointing out that they spent £123 million (€142m) on transfers during the summer.:
https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2022/06/newcastle-transfer-news-how-much-have-newcastle-spent-transfers-this-summer

Which is £29 million less than (ahem) Nottingham Forest:
https://theathletic.com/3555077/2022/09/02/nottingham-forest-deadline-day-review/

While it's no good having the world's richest owners if they cannot spend it:
https://www.cityam.com/premier-league-clubs-block-saudi-sponsorship-deals-with-newcastle-united/
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For years the English clubs hace been  cryng out for a winter break.  This year they got one.  So what do they do?  Play friendly after friendly and sometimes going half way around the world to do itConfused
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

For years the English clubs hace been  cryng out for a winter break.  This year they got one.  So what do they do?  Play friendly after friendly and sometimes going half way around the world to do itConfused
The point being that they want to use winter breaks to get in some warm weather training, or maybe play a friendly or two, during which they could eg rest players who needed it, or ease back in players who hadn't been getting game time for one reason or another, and/or get a look at a few youngsters in a less pressurised environment.

Besides which I know that at least some clubs gave their players a week or two off at the beginning of this break, before calling them back in for a "mini pre-season" - at least those players who aren't actually in Qatar, that is.

Or do you imagine that clubs which spend literally millions on sports science, medicine and conditioning etc, suddenly ignore everything their specialists are saying and go off on a trip which will undo all their previous work?

Yeah, that must be it. LOL


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Plenty of times a club's commerical interests took precendence over the players welfare
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Plenty of times a club's commerical interests took precendence over the players welfare

In the summer yes i.e. after the season is over, not mid-way.

The big thing about a mid winter break is that studies have conclusivley proven that players in Northern Europe pick up significantly more injuries, esp strains, muscular, soft-tissue types, than players in Southern Europe.

And this is not down to differences in style of play, refereeing, competitiveness or league structure etc. Rather it is pretty much down to the strain of having to train and play consistently over 3 months of cold weather.

For which  even a short break will prevent many of these injuries, and/or help already fatigued/injured players to recover fully.
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