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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

"I'm a big supporter of the team, unless I can't get a baby sitter, or plan time off for a fixture that was announced about a year ago, or its against a team who I don't consider worthy of my attendance. I'll see you for the top seed game next year though"
This type of gatekeeping is so cringe. You don’t know anything about the circumstances of somebody’s life. Be it financial, logistical or anything else. Disgraceful carry on from anybody who shames people for daring to miss a match every now and then.

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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

"I'm a big supporter of the team, unless I can't get a baby sitter, or plan time off for a fixture that was announced about a year ago, or its against a team who I don't consider worthy of my attendance. I'll see you for the top seed game next year though"
This type of gatekeeping is so cringe. You don’t know anything about the circumstances of somebody’s life. Be it financial, logistical or anything else. Disgraceful carry on from anybody who shames people for daring to miss a match every now and then.

Aye, we have enough cyclical arguments going on without rehashing another one.
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Everyone is different and has different circumstances. Thousands of people can rock up to the ground and go to the match. For the price of the ticket

Others have to take a dsay off, maybe a day and a half, pay for diesel or train ticket, and maybe pay for a hotel.

So yeah, if someone doesn't make a game midweek, they don't owe anyone an explanation  
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Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

"I'm a big supporter of the team, unless I can't get a baby sitter, or plan time off for a fixture that was announced about a year ago, or its against a team who I don't consider worthy of my attendance. I'll see you for the top seed game next year though"
This type of gatekeeping is so cringe. You don’t know anything about the circumstances of somebody’s life. Be it financial, logistical or anything else. Disgraceful carry on from anybody who shames people for daring to miss a match every now and then.


It's not gatekeeping at all, particularly when the discussion around Kenny is focused on the FAI's finances.
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His game management over the 2 games was poor. Some bad decisions with the substitutions. I'm still under the opinion that he should get the Euro's campaign but I wouldn't be annoyed if the FAI were to seek a change now. I doubt it will happen though. 
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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

"I'm a big supporter of the team, unless I can't get a baby sitter, or plan time off for a fixture that was announced about a year ago, or its against a team who I don't consider worthy of my attendance. I'll see you for the top seed game next year though"
This type of gatekeeping is so cringe. You don’t know anything about the circumstances of somebody’s life. Be it financial, logistical or anything else. Disgraceful carry on from anybody who shames people for daring to miss a match every now and then.


It's not gatekeeping at all, particularly when the discussion around Kenny is focused on the FAI's finances.
He  could have a season ticket for all you know so the financial questions irrelevant 
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Everyone is different and has different circumstances. Thousands of people can rock up to the ground and go to the match. For the price of the ticket

Others have to take a dsay off, maybe a day and a half, pay for diesel or train ticket, and maybe pay for a hotel.

So yeah, if someone doesn't make a game midweek, they don't owe anyone an explanation  

Totally agree.  Personal circumstances should not be taken into account when allocating away points as was argued by a few posters on here previously but they should certainly be taken into account by fellow fans when talking about attending games.  My attendance of games has fallen off a cliff since young kids arrived and moving out of Dublin.  Couldn’t give a sh*t if someone judged me and would be well able to snap back if they did.  Have a family season ticket which gets used by family/friends. 


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Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

"I'm a big supporter of the team, unless I can't get a baby sitter, or plan time off for a fixture that was announced about a year ago, or its against a team who I don't consider worthy of my attendance. I'll see you for the top seed game next year though"
This type of gatekeeping is so cringe. You don’t know anything about the circumstances of somebody’s life. Be it financial, logistical or anything else. Disgraceful carry on from anybody who shames people for daring to miss a match every now and then.


It's not gatekeeping at all, particularly when the discussion around Kenny is focused on the FAI's finances.
He  could have a season ticket for all you know so the financial questions irrelevant 


I hope he is. It'll to cover the cost of Big Sam, Chris Hughton, Glenn Hoddle or whoever he has suggested for the job this week.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Everyone is different and has different circumstances. Thousands of people can rock up to the ground and go to the match. For the price of the ticket

Others have to take a dsay off, maybe a day and a half, pay for diesel or train ticket, and maybe pay for a hotel.

So yeah, if someone doesn't make a game midweek, they don't owe anyone an explanation  

Totally agree.  Personal circumstances should not be taken into account when allocating away points as was argued by a few posters on here previously but they should certainly be taken into account by fellow fans when talking about attending games.  My attendance of games has fallen off a cliff since young kids arrived and moving out of Dublin.  Couldn’t give a sh*t if someone judged me and would be well able to snap back if they did.  Have a family season ticket which gets used by family/friends. 
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For me, I think we would have finished third in this Group and third in the last World Cup qualifying Group irrespective of who the manager was. We may have got better results against Finland in his first NL Group with a differebt manager but that campaign was a complete sh*t show of injuries and Covid. 

Could we have been more competitive in his 3 campaigns and finished third with more points with a different manager? Possibly, I expect McCarthy and O'Neill to draw home and away with Serbia but I would also expect us to have lost home and away to Portugal having surrendered possession for 90 minutes and been under constant pressure. McCarthy & O'Neill would likely have secured 1-0 defeats across the board against Luxembourg, Azerbaijan and Armenia but I'd struggle to see either of them compete against Ukraine and Scotland given the tactics employed. Similarly, I would expect Slovakia would have outplayed a team managed by McCarthy and O'Neill in the play off. 

There are justified reasons to criticise Kenny and everyone is entitled to their opinion but looking at it objectively we would likely be in the same place irrespective of the manager i.e. 3 seeds in draws and maintaining Group B status for NL. On a positive note - he is bringing through talent and getting people excited about football again. 
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BTW the players in the last two games have to take a measure of responsibility for:

a. blowing a one nil lead
b. (almost) blowing a two nil lead (they did blow it but got a 3rd thank god!)

when you get into those positions, as a professional footballer and from my limited understanding of professional football is that you're taught how to protect a lead.

You don't give away possession.
you don't do stupid stuff
you don't become lazy
you dont switch off

you work your bo11ix off for the team (i know this one is entirely optional and prob not taught to professionals Wink)

in both games, many/most/all the irish players were guilty of the first 4 above. the goals we conceded were as a result of all of the 4 above.

that's not entirely on Kenny TBF

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Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Originally posted by Fruice Fruice wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

Originally posted by SeaSharp SeaSharp wrote:

Originally posted by counterlock counterlock wrote:

"I'm a big supporter of the team, unless I can't get a baby sitter, or plan time off for a fixture that was announced about a year ago, or its against a team who I don't consider worthy of my attendance. I'll see you for the top seed game next year though"
This type of gatekeeping is so cringe. You don’t know anything about the circumstances of somebody’s life. Be it financial, logistical or anything else. Disgraceful carry on from anybody who shames people for daring to miss a match every now and then.


It's not gatekeeping at all, particularly when the discussion around Kenny is focused on the FAI's finances.
He  could have a season ticket for all you know so the financial questions irrelevant 


I hope he is. It'll to cover the cost of Big Sam, Chris Hughton, Glenn Hoddle or whoever he has suggested for the job this week.


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I never advocated Bog Sam

I threw GH out there as an open question as opposed to advocacy. 

I did suggest Hughton.  Yes.
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How did the Big Sam v Kenny dichotomy come about?

Is it just a figment of the imagination that this is the alternative?
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Its like Stephen Kenny is the only manager in the world that can play good football and would manage us.  Like I've said many time he might have great ideas but maybe he isnt the man to implement them.   I'd keep him on for the start of the Euros just about.  IMO he has good ideas but is a bit out of his depth and hasnt the personality or stature that the job warrants.  He also seems lacking in the tactical department at this level and seems to make the wrong substitutions or doesnt spot a problem and nip it in the bud.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

How did the Big Sam v Kenny dichotomy come about?

Is it just a figment of the imagination that this is the alternative?

The kennyites believe its either Kenny or sam. Its there of justifying Kenny.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Its like Stephen Kenny is the only manager in the world that can play good football and would manage us.  Like I've said many time he might have great ideas but maybe he isnt the man to implement them.   I'd keep him on for the start of the Euros just about.  IMO he has good ideas but is a bit out of his depth and hasnt the personality or stature that the job warrants.  He also seems lacking in the tactical department at this level and seems to make the wrong substitutions or doesnt spot a problem and nip it in the bud.

Kind of agree with most of this. If a new manager came in I'd want to continue to try play as we have done but perhaps he can influence the team even further and help motivate us to play good for longer periods and not look weak at times when under pressure. But not sure who this manager could be. 
Thats why I think we go again and hope thise things get better with Kenny. If it goes to sh*te and we continue to have results you really can't afford like Armenia away, Lux and Azerbaijan then it's a case of this is just not good enough.

Maybe another coach in to help out too could be the answer for next campaign 



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One area where Kenny can immediately improve is being more conservative with what he is saying in the media. 
He is asking for trouble by saying things like "we should be going to win the group" and "the performance was exceptional". Even though I'm sure it's well intended in terms of trying to be positive, he is leaving himself open to critics. I
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I enjoy watching this Irish side but the inconsistency is infuriating. Nobody knows what version of the team will turn up on any given night.

Another annoying thing is that we are not consistent over the 90 minutes. Sometimes good in the first half and then flat in the second, or vice versa.
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