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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39826 |
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All Kenny needs to do is play something that resembles football while mainitaining the standard we are used to i.e battling it out for 2nd,
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Mr. Snrub
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Co. Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2073 |
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Why do we always accept 2nd best, it's such a crippling small country Irish mentality! Roy Keane had the right attitude in 2002. He was there to win the tournament, not just to make up the numbers and we can all admit Ireland should have gone a lot further in that competition. Kenny will implement a new system which, demands us to play football. International football is nowhere near the standard of recent decades and smaller nations have proved they can compete with a competent system or style regardless of the standard of players eg. Iceland, Northern Ireland and more recently Finland punching above their respective weights. Can we for once abolish the myth that "we don't have the players". We have a lot of decent Premier League standard footballers who are more than capable of stringing some passes together with fluidity. I will be the first to admit we have always punched slightly above our weight by remaining competitive since the 1980's but with the current crop of exciting youngsters emerging, it is the right time for Kenny to put his stamp on Irish football. |
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39826 |
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Football. Sick to death of hoofball.
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Davey Langan Joined: 08 Aug 2011 Location: Kildare Status: Offline Points: 761 |
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Kenny deserves his chance. Look at the managers of places like Sweden, Norway and Iceland for example, their coaches would not have had much of a playing career either, it's not that unusual anymore. He has had a phenomenal record in the LoI and has always had his teams over achieving and playing nice football, he has a track record of making players better and has already proven this with the u21s team over the past 12 months. The arrangement with Mick taking the job and then Kenny taking over after was unusual and risky, but it looks like it will be a good idea at the moment as Kenny has won people over with the u21s and has now built a relationship with the very promising group coming through.
I have to disagree that we can only expect 3 or 4 players to emerge from this crop of players. Molumby, Connolly, Parrott, Obafemi, O'Connor, Idah, O'Shea to name but a few who I would expect to have good careers and that is excluding some other very good players in that team. Another thing possibly worth noting is that we needed to stop paying our managers ridiculous wages. I don't know what Kenny will be on, but I would imagine it will be a fair whack less than what Trap or O'Neill were earning and that's the way it should be in future. I think he will be the right man to blend the young crop coming through with the current squad and will get us playing better football which we have been crying out for. Agree 100% that fans will need to manage their expectations though, regardless of who was in charge it would be highly unlikely for us to qualify for the WC2022.
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Artie Ziff
Ray Houghton Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Status: Offline Points: 3619 |
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Can't stomach going to home games or aways anymore. We have watched some rancid games in the past 10 years boys. I will be more than patient with Kenny if it's going in the right direction. |
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Mr. Snrub
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Co. Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2073 |
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4 years later was Germany 2006 where we failed to qualify?! I assume you're referring to 2002? It's all ifs and buts with the pre tournament debacle in 2002. Some players maintain they performed better without the pressure of Keane on their backs. As long as Kenny implements something that mildly represents a system of play, unlike the current and previous regime where the "philosophy" is a tight defence and hot potato hoofball in the hope of nicking a goal from a set piece or mistake.
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Nialler
Liam Brady Joined: 20 Aug 2019 Status: Offline Points: 1490 |
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Finally the FAI are taking adult decisions and have appointed Stephen Kenny as Ireland manager.
The possibilty of having a very young team at a Euro's is worth it alone. Molumby,Parrott,Connolly, O'Shea, Knight,Obafemi, Collins and probably O'Connor will be the ones promoted from the under 21's immediately. Exciting times. |
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Het-field
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I honestly don’t think we can conjecture what SK will do. We simply don’t know. His first efforts may be to use the bulk of the current squad, and promote lads like McCarthy, Long and Arter to more prominent positions in the team. He may see that through to the Euros before looking to evolve with the new lads. Alternatively, he may instantly promote youth and try and build from there.
We are also going to have several months football, in the event that it gets back on track in June (unlikely as I feel that is). Some players will hit form, others will lose it, players will transfer, players will fall out of favour with clubs. There may even be a few players out there that Kenny has earmarked, that we don’t necessarily expect (Johnny Hayes as an example). This is a different brief to the one held by Trapp, MON, and Mick, which was to qualify at all costs. This will have a serious development angle, much like with Southgate, and with a domestic vibe too, given Kenny’s history with the LOI.
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pre Madonna
Robbie Keane I am MALDING Joined: 30 Nov 2014 Location: Trumpton Status: Offline Points: 44659 |
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All managers, bar some true greats and a few lucky lunatics, are conservative in nature. This is even more true when one bad residing, especially at international level, is so hard to recover from. I can’t see changes being made for changes sake. Some lads will get a chance due to the reality of the situation.
Most of those players are still just potential without even putting down a full season for their clubs. Molumby has a decent chance as we have no midfield, but I don’t think there is going to be massive changes immediately. Mick didn’t just keep picking lads because they aren’t great, it was because there often wasn’t a choice! |
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Fruice
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1259 |
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I think what PM said is mainly right about Mick and whom he picked was what was available to him.
Let’s be honest if Kenny’s first game is the playoff you are going to see one maybe 2 young lads in the team and possibly one more in the squad. If the nations league comes first then things could be a lot different
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tetsujin1979
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O'Connor's not going to get picked playing in the Scottish championship Edited by tetsujin1979 - 04 Apr 2020 at 6:48pm |
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DeclanDaly
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Legs have gone
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PaddyDaCulchie
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Especially when he was benched at Thistle for the last 2 games before league was suspended
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irelandfan
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Plenty of the fans of the Tan League Live and hope he f**ks up and the league of Ireland Loyalists feel he will be our Johan Cruyff.
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I'm the gaffer whatever I say goes.
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Left foot
Ray Houghton Joined: 16 Aug 2019 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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On a positive note... exciting times for ireland. A much needed boost of optimism
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aviva8
Liam Brady Joined: 08 Nov 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1322 |
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I wish him the best. He needs time though it not going to all gel over night
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Nialler
Liam Brady Joined: 20 Aug 2019 Status: Offline Points: 1490 |
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I added probably there over that but he is very highly rated and can play 4-5 positions.
I wouldn't hold a loan spell at a team that is totally struggling against him. They are playing an awful brand of hoofball in a sh*t league. He will be back at Celtic next year and promoted to senior team. The fact he was Celtic youth captain within 3-4 games tells more than a crappy loan spell to harden him up. |
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zizu Kilbane
Jack Charlton Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8364 |
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Really hope he's a success...his first game of any description might not be until 2021.
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