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Baldrick 
Robbie Keane 
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Soccer from your experience is there any policies which you think are inefficient. Rather than from an operations perspective but actual policies that do not achieve what they set out to achieve or that the cost of the policy is higher than the benefit of having the policy
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 1:29am |
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Yes I should have clarified that by saying what was known as the old age Pension |
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Ray Houghton
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 1:38am |
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The state pension should be means tested.
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Jack Charlton
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 1:42am |
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I can accept that there have been difficulties, but surely it's up to the dept to resolve this issue and do whatever is necessary to resolve it? I still cannot see why the Date protection issues could not be resolved. |
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 1:45am |
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Ahhh the Irish approach to everything means test this means test that.
That policy is one of the reasons we have such a two tier system where one group of people largely pay the taxes and see very little back from the state and another group of people do the opposite and it creates poverty traps etc. Universalism works pretty well in many scandanavian countries. In relation to means testing the pension who are you trying to rule out, I don't quite understand that point. Because as far as I know it is means tested. http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Department-of-Social-Protection.pdf Interesting reading this report. The flexi system on welfare is an interesting idea Edited by Baldrick - 04 Mar 2012 at 1:47am |
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Jack Charlton
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 1:48am |
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See, this is why claimants getting loot when they shouldn't, irritates me. Most people on disability have absolutely no choice whatsover and very few have the option of any work. Cutting their benefits to balance books is callous and unforgivable, when other more obvious ways of reducing the costs are not tackled. |
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Jack Charlton
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 1:57am |
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Contributory Pension is not means tested but Non contributory is. |
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 2:05am |
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It's not means tested. There are multi millionaires out there who are claiming the full state pension. |
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 2:12am |
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No they are not jack it is means tested. They are just getting the money they put in back.
It's an insurance fund against them retring and they are only getting the money that they put in and if they are millionaires I would say they are getting way less than they put in. Means testing the contributory pension would be the maddesy policy ever. Talk about a dis incentive to work and pay prsi and it would be particularly harsh on women who go out to work. If anything I think we should increase contributory benefits over non contributory benefits as an incentive to work funded by a increase in prsi. The prsi model is a good one if used properly in my view. It rewards work and is a safety net when a worker falls on hard times or retires. |
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 2:16am |
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Soccerc has clarifies this. For me I don't deem the contributory pension sangha state pension.
It's basically just getting your own money back. Why this would ever be means tested is beyond me. |
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I think the argument against ID cards is horsesh*t of the highest order. Why I hear you say? Because people in their everyday lives give away personal information willy nilly on the net, on the street, over the phone or wherever without thinking about it.....signing up for this that and everything. If anything having a national ID will be your only way truly proving your identification (passports can be fraudently copied....just ask the Israeli's). Ireland is one of only 4 countries in the EU that do not require their citizens to carry IDs. Denmark, Sweden and the UK are the others. The reason Denmark doesn't is because they have a card called the National Health Insurance Card which has all the information on it anyway (no photo), Sweden technically has an ID card but it's not legally required however now a lot of Swedish institutions/banks etc require it therefore their citizens have had to apply for it and campaigners in Britain successfully lobbied against it (even though labour did their best to railroad it in). Well I didn't mean to rant so long about ID cards but it's a joke when a small number of campaigners cause so much noise that politicians end up sweeping policies or potential legislation that would benefit the country as a whole under the carpet. Now back to Social Welfare  It's too easy for a lot of people who are drawing on the dole to remain on it without making any effort. A friend and I were out in our local town a few months ago and my friend made a valid observation in a pub with approx 50 patrons. He said look around which I did....everybody in front of you is on social welfare...and you know what he was right. I was shocked...the people who did have jobs were at home saving the pennies because they were not getting a free house off the council or mortgage protection or whatever else. The issue is to do with mindset and that will never be changed. We've always been a country of chancers and we'll always be a country of chancers.
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Robbie Keane
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 11:11am |
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The State (Contributory) Pension is not means tested, it's based on a yearly average of your employment contributions in your working life. State Non Contributory Pension is means tested.
You must have photographic ID to CLAIM a Jobseeker's Payment but not necessarily to collect your payment at the Post Office. Some POs insist on ID, most don't and as far as I know it's not mandatory that you have your ID but you can be asked for it if there's a doubt. As we all know as well, photo ID can easily be forged. The "new" Social Welfare Services Card took an eternity to be rolled out thanks to the usual civil liberties bullsh*t and other red-tape, but anyone trying to collect state funds should have this SWS Card that has your photo before it can be paid. Electronic signing has recently come into being as well in some offices in that the you sign an electronic pad when you're signing on. If the signatures don't match, suspicions can and will be raised as to ID of the person.
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Baldrick
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 11:53am |
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Does anyone actually think that the State Contributory Pension should be means tested. Considering there is a test already to get it which is that you have paid enough stamps over the course of your career.
To then put in another test would be crazy. |
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 12:05pm |
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Right Welfare seekers . report for duty tomorrow morning in the phoenix park
You will be supplied with the following on arrival: Under 65 -orange bib and a sweeping brush Over 65- yellow bib and a secateurs Sincerely Department of the abolition of free money. |
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 12:09pm |
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Quick question, what happens if they don't turn up and then you cut off their dole.
What do you think would happen then. |
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Roy Keane
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 12:19pm |
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if they bring in new technology will we have the usual case of civil servants refusing to use the machines unless they get a pay rise?
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Robbie Keane
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 12:26pm |
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Whats your definition of usual Citizen. Is usual that it happens once a week or once a month or once a year or once a decade.
I know for a fact that civil servants embrace new technology day in day out. I think I have read one story over the last 3 years in relation to finger printing that suggested there was an issue there. Don't know the ins and outs on it though. Edited by Baldrick - 04 Mar 2012 at 12:27pm |
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