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Yeah, but we don't pay anywhere near the same amount into the system that PAYE workers and their employers cough up. 

But I do agree somewhat. Self employed should get some dole/sickpay/disability, even if it is a lower rate to reflect the lower payments.

Why is picture ID is still not used for claimants? 

This was mooted several years ago. If this was a private company paying out this money, this would be done and fully active with a month. 

That was tried before and had limited success, mainly 'cause once the additional benefits dried up the claimant went back into the system. 6/12 months isn't long enough to get somebody completely re-established in the workplace, especially if they are only earning minimum wages.

Some sort of sliding scale reduction that carried on for 3 years might work.

Painful as it may seem, benefits should be cut for people who use the dole as a permanent life crutch. FFS, even during the height of the celtic tiger we had over 100,000 long term unemployed.

Civil liberties cannot be the reason as photo ID is used in so many other situations.

I can accept that there have been difficulties, but surely it's up to the dept to resolve this issue and do whatever is necessary to resolve it? I still cannot see why the Date protection issues could not be resolved.

See, this is why claimants getting loot when they shouldn't, irritates me.

Most people on disability have absolutely no choice whatsover and very few have the option of any work.

Cutting their benefits to balance books is callous and unforgivable, when other more obvious ways of reducing the costs are not tackled.

I think the argument against ID cards is horsesh*t of the highest order. Why I hear you say? Because people in their everyday lives give away personal information willy nilly on the net, on the street, over the phone or wherever without thinking about it.....signing up for this that and everything. If anything having a national ID will be your only way truly proving your identification (passports can be fraudently copied....just ask the Israeli's).

Ireland is one of only 4 countries in the EU that do not require their citizens to carry IDs. Denmark, Sweden and the UK are the others. The reason Denmark doesn't is because they have a card called the National Health Insurance Card which has all the information on it anyway (no photo), Sweden technically has an ID card but it's not legally required however now a lot of Swedish institutions/banks etc require it therefore their citizens have had to apply for it and campaigners in Britain successfully lobbied against it (even though labour did their best to railroad it in).

Well I didn't mean to rant so long about ID cards but it's a joke when a small number of campaigners cause so much noise that politicians end up sweeping policies or potential legislation that would benefit the country as a whole under the carpet.

Now back to Social Welfare  

It's too easy for a lot of people who are drawing on the dole to remain on it without making any effort. A friend and I were out in our local town a few months ago and my friend made a valid observation in a pub with approx 50 patrons. He said look around which I did....everybody in front of you is on social welfare...and you know what he was right. I was shocked...the people who did have jobs were at home saving the pennies because they were not getting a free house off the council or mortgage protection or whatever else.

The issue is to do with mindset and that will never be changed. We've always been a country of chancers and we'll always be a country of chancers.

You must have photographic ID to CLAIM a Jobseeker's Payment but not necessarily to collect your payment at the Post Office.  Some POs insist on ID, most don't and as far as I know it's not mandatory that you have your ID but you can be asked for it if there's a doubt.  As we all know as well, photo ID can easily be forged.  The "new" Social Welfare Services Card took an eternity to be rolled out thanks to the usual civil liberties bullsh*t and other red-tape, but anyone trying to collect state funds should have this SWS Card that has your photo before it can be paid.  Electronic signing has recently come into being as well in some offices in that the you sign an electronic pad when you're signing on.  If the signatures don't match, suspicions can and will be raised as to ID of the person.

How many stamps are required Baldy?

I've now had as many years with stamps as without.

At this rate, I'll never be able to retire.

Ta for the info and the earlier link. By my reckoning, I'll only have about 15 weeks per year contributions from my PAYE term when averaged out over my entire working years, but I would have additional earnings from my fifteen years of part time teaching. 

Yeah, shocking sobering stuff for a Sunday morning. Time to go to the pub!

 

Surprised at you making such a glib and lazy statement Citz.  My office recently brought in the electronic signing I spoke of, no fuss, no resistance and both staff and public very pleased with its implementation.  Civil servants, believe it or not Citz, do move with the times............yes there are dinosaurs and deadwood amongst us, but you get them everywhere.  And finally Citz, have you not heard of the pension levy which in effect was a pay cut by a manufactured name...........as I said Citz, suprised at you making such a lazy Sunday Indo-esque generalisation. 

I was in this situation and worked all through the recession until last month. Your social welfare payment then is based on your mother and fathers earnings and savings.

It would make ya f**king vomit

 

Agreed, always felt this was far too unrealistic and unfair.

If anything this drives people out of the family home and into either social housing or other secondary benefits and costing the state more.  

 

At the moment if a person on a 3day week claiming benefits is offered a 5 day week its likely not worth their while to accept the extra work. THey would loose their benefits and their medical card, their partner would loose their benefits and their medical card too cause they are means tested. It means a person goes back to work for very little extra.

Fundamental flaws in the SW system need to be tackled and career scratcher people should definitely not be on the maximum payment rate for their whole lives and then get a Non-Contributory State Pension when they hit that age and the other sundry allowances one gets at 66, that's just daft and unsustainable and the Troika will surely insist on implementing changes. 

I get 84.50 a week from the social welfare

Precisly the reason, Ive a meeting with an Australian construction company regarding a sponsorship on Thursday.

Rant Over.  

They would put you on casual jobseekers and once you work a day(except sunday) it cuts off that days benefit.

wonder is it because we were in the Country she was talking about this Summer

Something along those lines anyway

Think yer on the wrong site bud . Looking at today's Examiner, tis not the first time she has made comments re social welfare recipients (not Polish people though, that was a new addition). Don't really see any reason to discuss her comments, they are factually incorrect. There are residents of certain other nations (better be careful here) who possibly could be accused of living off the state to an extent, but I think it is fair to say the Irish perception of Polish people (and for that matter, Latvians, Lithuanians, Slovakians, Estonians) would be hard working people (nearly everybody has worked with a person or people from the aforementioned nations and others in the past few years) who aren't here to scrounge. Bound to be a few exceptions, but in comparison to the percentage of Irish wasters who never worked, even when times were good, minimal. 

Your post does not read that clearly to me, are you implying that you agree with Judge Devins comments (which she has publically apologised twice for) and the reason we on here are not talking about it is because a lot of us were in Poland for the summer ?

Having said that, the Polish  Irish organisations accepted her apology and withdrew their complaint (they had threatened to complain her to the gardai, correctly so, in my opinion), something tells me had she made the same comments about a person of African origin, she wouldn't be a Judge by tommorrow evening. 

Hmm, I don't, can't really remember any Pole- bashing threads here before June. Even if you decided you didn't like them (as illogical as it is to dislike an entire nation of people) before, in the middle of, or after June, I think her comments strike people as completely wrong given the experiences the majority of us (Irish people, not just posters on here) have had of working with Europeans in the previous years. Which is probably why there is not a thread on here giving out about Polish people. 

But hey, start one if you want

there ive said it

There are jobs or courses out there if they genuinely wanted to apply but why would they bother when they aren't even pushed by the Social Welfare to do so? If a person worked and got let go , have been in regular employment or even working their whole life and got let go i'd say fair enough atleast you worked and tried better yourself , but there are so many young and fit people out there who could be made earn their €188 a week even if its doing 10 hours a week with the council , going into schools helping during art or PE for example etc etc.

Iv'e been on the dole on 2 occasions at different times , i had left my job to try and go back to college then i ended up breaking my leg and coming home from Canada was the other. Iv'e been doing 1 year courses at a time to try and better myself an its been great for the self esteem. I found out a few weeks ago that i got into college as a full time student , its a 4 year course and i'm over the moon because i really tried! That's all i could have done tried and thankfully it worked out , but there are many others out there who don't and will not try? College isn't for everyone i know that , but if you throw in a 100 cv's around a few towns within a certain radius there is a good chance an interview could crop up. Its the attitude of "there are no jobs" from people who have no interest in working pisses me off.

 

And then McDonalds would create robots to take orders, a few workers to cook the food and you'd have more on the Dole queues.

 

 

My steps would be...

Abolish a lot of regulation and red tape reverting to an almost entirely free market.

Reduce corporation tax to 10%

Keep the government in check allowing enterprises to run freely

keep the budget balanced as to stabalise the economy.

And keep the path to growth free.

 

We should also be encouraging the private enterprises to compete in healthcare, education (especially) and in transport and other government services

 

 

 

 

That picture won't show but I'm guessing we're talking about different things.

 

 

 

 

Ten times more fraud committed by the wealthy tax dodging basturts