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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote daithi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 5:10pm
Just flicking through some posts here, the jewel been YTM saying “trust me on this I know what I’m talking about here” LOL

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Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

There is absolutely no substance to that. None.

They won the treble last year and topped the EL group too.

There have been issues around the dressing room that Lennon didn't deal with.


There are huge concerns regarding professionalism under Lennon. Trust me on this, I know what I'm talking about here, know people involved. FWIW there was also a big fallout earlier in the season with the squad effectively splitting between the Scottish players and the overseas issues regarding a particular issue. Although that has largely been resolved now.

There were similar problems at Hibs when Lennon was there. None of the above directly involved Duffy but it's a fairly toxic environment at Celtic these days.

You don't know what your talking about here, that's the problem. Your just moving the goal posts with your latest post.

I have just literally just spoke about issues in the dressing room and gave 2 examples of such.

Both of which have nothing to do with Duffy.
     
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If Kenny starts Duffy in March and things go badly he will get slaughtered for it, and rightly so.

For a manager already under pressure it would be a ridiculous risk to take based on Duffy's current performance levels, especially in one of the few positions where we actually have some genuine competition for places.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

The confidence is which “Duffy won’t start in March” is been said here is mystifying.

I agree btw no way Duffy should start on current form and he just blatantly isn’t suited to the style of play. I think he will though I’m not sure I see Kenny dropping him. 

I don't think he will be dropped. I feel Kenny sees him as a vital part of the team, from a leadership and continuity point of view, and while that may not make him unimpeachable, it will give him a greater call for being in the team come March.

Its Duffy's club career that is probably the greater concern. Brighton haven't appeared to miss him, Celtic are not getting the best out of him, where next?
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

There is absolutely no substance to that. None.

They won the treble last year and topped the EL group too.

There have been issues around the dressing room that Lennon didn't deal with.


There are huge concerns regarding professionalism under Lennon. Trust me on this, I know what I'm talking about here, know people involved. FWIW there was also a big fallout earlier in the season with the squad effectively splitting between the Scottish players and the overseas issues regarding a particular issue. Although that has largely been resolved now.

There were similar problems at Hibs when Lennon was there. None of the above directly involved Duffy but it's a fairly toxic environment at Celtic these days.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kevin100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 2:18pm
Others have but he should be in the squad of course he should be. Just starting at the moment we have better options to my mind.
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amazing how quickly his stock has plummeted, Duffy was our best player 12 months ago. Now lads saying he shouldn’t be in the squad. He had a tough year with his dad passing suddenly, has never let Ireland down. 

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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

The confidence is which “Duffy won’t start in March” is been said here is mystifying.

I agree btw no way Duffy should start on current form and he just blatantly isn’t suited to the style of play. I think he will though I’m not sure I see Kenny dropping him. 

I dont think so either but if he brings club form to Ireland then I think its probably a matter of time especially because he is not suited to Kenny's style of play. 
It would be a big statement if he did drop him. Like another poster said above, managers tend not to drop players based on current form. 

I would cut him some slack on current form as football didn’t start in September it existed before then. It’s the fact he’s so not suited to Kennys style of play you’d almost feel sorry for Duffy at times is the nail in the coffin for me. 

There is no way he should be playing but I don’t see any other scenario unfortunately.


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Nathan Collins surely ahead of Duffy too. Watched a bit of the game last night against Bournemouth he was fantastic again. 

I personally wouldn’t mind seeing him at Stoke for another year or two after this where he plays every week 

However comments such as “il eat my hat if Collins isn’t at a top half PL club by next September” on Twitter tells you what people thought of his performance.


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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

The confidence is which “Duffy won’t start in March” is been said here is mystifying.

I agree btw no way Duffy should start on current form and he just blatantly isn’t suited to the style of play. I think he will though I’m not sure I see Kenny dropping him. 

I dont think so either but if he brings club form to Ireland then I think its probably a matter of time especially because he is not suited to Kenny's style of play. 
It would be a big statement if he did drop him. Like another poster said above, managers tend not to drop players based on current form. 
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Clark starting again for Newcastle today. It will be very close between him, O Shea and Duffy but on current form Duffy is certainly fourth choice. A lot of football to be played between now and then.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kevin100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 1:33pm
The confidence is which “Duffy won’t start in March” is been said here is mystifying.

I agree btw no way Duffy should start on current form and he just blatantly isn’t suited to the style of play. I think he will though I’m not sure I see Kenny dropping him. 
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Originally posted by TheNumber6 TheNumber6 wrote:

What issues? Contracts?

NL said that some players believed they were bigger than the club and wanted out. None of them left and most stayed and played.


There was also people from within the squad leading info to outside too. 
     
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Green Devil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 2021 at 1:15pm
The problem we've had for years is that our international managers ignored players club form on a regular basis, be it staying too loyal to certain players who either didn't play enough for their clubs or were bang out of form to ignoring the players that were performing really well for their clubs.

I'm a firm believer in seeing managers playing form players and making it tough for those out of form to win their place back. What usually happens is they will either sink or swim, you don't want a squad knowing that 1-11 is picked before a ball is kicked no matter how players are performing for their clubs.


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You would wonder what Kenny is making of his form. He wasn't too bad for Ireland, well he was poor in possession at times but he also made some last ditch tackles, what he is probably best at (launching himself at the ball).

But with the form of O'Shea, Egan generally solid too then I think Duffy's place is at a big risk. I think he is on a tight rope and 1 bad performance for Ireland too then it could be time to go with oshea and Egan. 
Collins too coming down the track. 
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What issues? Contracts?
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There is absolutely no substance to that. None.

They won the treble last year and topped the EL group too.

There have been issues around the dressing room that Lennon didn't deal with.

     
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For what it's worth Neil Lennon managed teams have long been associated with fitness issues, it was picked up on by Ronny Deila after Lennon left the first time how unfit a squad he inherited and similarly at Hibs, Lennon's replacement Paul Heckingbottom was apparently shocked at how unfit a squad he inherited mid season.

So that may be contributing to Duffy appearing to be in such poor shape. Unfortunately Scottish club football seems to be a lot less professional than English and continental European football when it comes to fitness and coaching. Brendan Rogers seemed to bring in a much higher level of professionalism at Celtic that has been thrown away since he left.


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