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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

His forte is running in behind defenders and poaching close range goals. He has always put in a shift even when not playing particularly well and that Birmingham team is ordinary at best. He had his big chance at Aston Villa but didn’t take it despite having Dean Smith there who managed him at Brentford, where he attracted PL interest from West Ham and others. He was even tipped for an England cap at one stage before injuries and dips in form persuaded him that he was Irish. Not knocking the lad, you’d have to have him in the squad on current form.

It's gas how these ideas become accepted fact - I don't think Hogan was ever tipped for an England call up by anyone other than the Irish media and posters on here, paranoid by the recent Jack Grealish saga. 


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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

His forte is running in behind defenders and poaching close range goals. He has always put in a shift even when not playing particularly well and that Birmingham team is ordinary at best. He had his big chance at Aston Villa but didn’t take it despite having Dean Smith there who managed him at Brentford, where he attracted PL interest from West Ham and others. He was even tipped for an England cap at one stage before injuries and dips in form persuaded him that he was Irish. Not knocking the lad, you’d have to have him in the squad on current form.

It's gas how these ideas become accepted fact - I don't think Hogan was ever tipped for an England call up by anyone other than the Irish media and posters on here, paranoid by the recent Jack Grealish saga. 

Tbf I remember commentary at the time about him holding out on declaring for us in the hope of an England call up, but as you say actual English interest on the back of 15 goals in a Championship season at 25 was always unlikely. As GC said, his big chance was when he moved to Villa, but he didnt shine there.
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

His forte is running in behind defenders and poaching close range goals. He has always put in a shift even when not playing particularly well and that Birmingham team is ordinary at best. He had his big chance at Aston Villa but didn’t take it despite having Dean Smith there who managed him at Brentford, where he attracted PL interest from West Ham and others. He was even tipped for an England cap at one stage before injuries and dips in form persuaded him that he was Irish. Not knocking the lad, you’d have to have him in the squad on current form.

It's gas how these ideas become accepted fact - I don't think Hogan was ever tipped for an England call up by anyone other than the Irish media and posters on here, paranoid by the recent Jack Grealish saga. 

Tbf I remember commentary at the time about him holding out on declaring for us in the hope of an England call up, but as you say actual English interest on the back of 15 goals in a Championship season at 25 was always unlikely. As GC said, his big chance was when he moved to Villa, but he didnt shine there.

Whether he was tipped for an England cap by anyone else is immaterial. He gambled on himself to get capped by England and that's why he only accepted a call-up for us once his form drastically decreased.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

His forte is running in behind defenders and poaching close range goals. He has always put in a shift even when not playing particularly well and that Birmingham team is ordinary at best. He had his big chance at Aston Villa but didn’t take it despite having Dean Smith there who managed him at Brentford, where he attracted PL interest from West Ham and others. He was even tipped for an England cap at one stage before injuries and dips in form persuaded him that he was Irish. Not knocking the lad, you’d have to have him in the squad on current form.

It's gas how these ideas become accepted fact - I don't think Hogan was ever tipped for an England call up by anyone other than the Irish media and posters on here, paranoid by the recent Jack Grealish saga. 

Tbf I remember commentary at the time about him holding out on declaring for us in the hope of an England call up, but as you say actual English interest on the back of 15 goals in a Championship season at 25 was always unlikely. As GC said, his big chance was when he moved to Villa, but he didnt shine there.

Whether he was tipped for an England cap by anyone else is immaterial. He gambled on himself to get capped by England and that's why he only accepted a call-up for us once his form drastically decreased.

He was signed for Villa a matter of months when he was first called up to the seniors (even if we ignore the fact he'd been called up by the 21's in 2014), so once again, you are talking through your rear end. Nothing new there.
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It’s a massive myth around Hogan. He came to prominence after Euro 2016, and quashed rumours of holding out as early as June 2017. He has suffered reputation-wise on the back of that myth, and totally unfairly. 
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

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Here's former SK assistant John Eustace's take on Hogan who wouldn't make your five. 

As John Nice' pointed out, that's his manager speaking. Perhaps more pertinioent was the opposition manger, Steve Bruce, who said that it was actually Deeney who WBA couldn't handle.

More generally, Hogan is the very essence of a "streak" player, as this analysis from May 2019 covering his time at Brentford, shows:
"In Hogan’s first season at Brentford, he scored seven goals with an expected goals of 3.5xG. He had a shooting percentage of 77%. This was far and above the top five scorers in the Championship that season. His goals per ninety minutes was the highest in the league, tripling the nearest player in Cauley Woodrow.


Since then, Hogan has gone from a .58 goals per game scoring rate at Brentford to .16 goals per game at Aston Villa and then .25 goals per game at Sheffield United."
https://footballbh.net/2019/05/28/brentford-championship-tactical-analysis-statistics-analysis/

The point being that Brentford cashed in at the very top of the market following his hottest streak with them.

Meaning that in the absence of other strikers who are currently on form and scoring goals, Kenny might be advised to take a punt on Hogan's current hot streak, so long as he modifies his selection to take advantage of Hogans strengths.

But overall, his age (30), as well as his stats, suggest that he's never going to be anything other than a short-term solution.

(And I say all that as someone who saw quite a bit of Hogan back in the day, and rated him)
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He was unlucky not to score against Scotland, and I vaguely remember against NZ or Bulgaria him being incredibly unlucky not to score at close range.

Maybe if that chance against Turkey on his debut had hit the net it might have panned out differently.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

It’s a massive myth around Hogan. He came to prominence after Euro 2016, and quashed rumours of holding out as early as June 2017. He has suffered reputation-wise on the back of that myth, and totally unfairly. 

From an article before Euro 2016.
 
The Brentford striker was on the verge of being called up to the Ireland squad after his run of seven goals in just 161 minutes, although when asked about his international chances in May the 24-year-old was coy.

And in the same article.

“If England do well I might watch an England game or if we're away and it's on. I can't see myself getting too many games.



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Yeah, but I said after Euro 2016. So.
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

It’s a massive myth around Hogan. He came to prominence after Euro 2016, and quashed rumours of holding out as early as June 2017. He has suffered reputation-wise on the back of that myth, and totally unfairly. 

From an article before Euro 2016.
 
The Brentford striker was on the verge of being called up to the Ireland squad after his run of seven goals in just 161 minutes, although when asked about his international chances in May the 24-year-old was coy.

And in the same article.

“If England do well I might watch an England game or if we're away and it's on. I can't see myself getting too many games.


What exactly is the relevance of that quote? He's being asked if he'll get to watch many England games at Euro 2016 and he's saying he doesn't think he will as he'll be doing other things. Are you seriously trying to misrepresent that as Hogan saying he doesn't think he would play many games for England and thus will throw his lot in with Ireland LOL

Honestly, you just need to be banned at this stage for the continuous lying/exaggeration/misdirection. You know exactly what you're doing and and you show no inclination to change.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

It’s a massive myth around Hogan. He came to prominence after Euro 2016, and quashed rumours of holding out as early as June 2017. He has suffered reputation-wise on the back of that myth, and totally unfairly. 

From an article before Euro 2016.
 
The Brentford striker was on the verge of being called up to the Ireland squad after his run of seven goals in just 161 minutes, although when asked about his international chances in May the 24-year-old was coy.

And in the same article.

“If England do well I might watch an England game or if we're away and it's on. I can't see myself getting too many games.


What exactly is the relevance of that quote? He's being asked if he'll get to watch many England games at Euro 2016 and he's saying he doesn't think he will as he'll be doing other things. Are you seriously trying to misrepresent that as Hogan saying he doesn't think he would play many games for England and thus will throw his lot in with Ireland LOL

Honestly, you just need to be banned at this stage for the continuous lying/exaggeration/misdirection. You know exactly what you're doing and and you show no inclination to change.

I posted an article with direct quotes from Scott Hogan about supporting England at Euro 2016 and which referenced him being noncommittal about his international future around the time he was in his best spell of form, which contradicted what het-field said

The one lying/exaggerating/misdirecting would be you saying Hogan was called up to the U-21's but deliberately omitting the fact that Hogan turned down that call-up, which, again, the article I posted references.

I remember posting this article to refute your nonsense before but in one ear and out the other it went.
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To HH's surprise I would agree with him here. There was ample evidence from the time that Hogan was playing a waiting game. If I remember correctly, there was also the Jamie Vardy effect and therefore him eventually getting England caps wasn't as outlandish as it sounds now. 
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Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

It’s a massive myth around Hogan. He came to prominence after Euro 2016, and quashed rumours of holding out as early as June 2017. He has suffered reputation-wise on the back of that myth, and totally unfairly. 

From an article before Euro 2016.
 
The Brentford striker was on the verge of being called up to the Ireland squad after his run of seven goals in just 161 minutes, although when asked about his international chances in May the 24-year-old was coy.

And in the same article.

“If England do well I might watch an England game or if we're away and it's on. I can't see myself getting too many games.


What exactly is the relevance of that quote? He's being asked if he'll get to watch many England games at Euro 2016 and he's saying he doesn't think he will as he'll be doing other things. Are you seriously trying to misrepresent that as Hogan saying he doesn't think he would play many games for England and thus will throw his lot in with Ireland LOL

Honestly, you just need to be banned at this stage for the continuous lying/exaggeration/misdirection. You know exactly what you're doing and and you show no inclination to change.

I posted an article with direct quotes from Scott Hogan about supporting England at Euro 2016 and which referenced him being noncommittal about his international future around the time he was in his best spell of form, which contradicted what het-field said

The one lying/exaggerating/misdirecting would be you saying Hogan was called up to the U-21's but deliberately omitting the fact that Hogan turned down that call-up, which, again, the article I posted references.

I remember posting this article to refute your nonsense before but in one ear and out the other it went.

2 points -

1. Hogan never states he's supporting England (although there would be absolutely nothing wrong if he did, nor would supporting England invalidate his Irishness), he is asked by the interviewer if he will be watching England in the Euros and he says he might but probably won't catch many games (seems like a real superfan alright!!).

2. Hogan didn't turn down the Under 21 call up - Rochdale requested that he not be released for it.

As usual then, you're existing in the realm of conjecture and half truth. I'll leave you to it.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

It’s a massive myth around Hogan. He came to prominence after Euro 2016, and quashed rumours of holding out as early as June 2017. He has suffered reputation-wise on the back of that myth, and totally unfairly. 

From an article before Euro 2016.
 
The Brentford striker was on the verge of being called up to the Ireland squad after his run of seven goals in just 161 minutes, although when asked about his international chances in May the 24-year-old was coy.

And in the same article.

“If England do well I might watch an England game or if we're away and it's on. I can't see myself getting too many games.


What exactly is the relevance of that quote? He's being asked if he'll get to watch many England games at Euro 2016 and he's saying he doesn't think he will as he'll be doing other things. Are you seriously trying to misrepresent that as Hogan saying he doesn't think he would play many games for England and thus will throw his lot in with Ireland LOL

Honestly, you just need to be banned at this stage for the continuous lying/exaggeration/misdirection. You know exactly what you're doing and and you show no inclination to change.

I posted an article with direct quotes from Scott Hogan about supporting England at Euro 2016 and which referenced him being noncommittal about his international future around the time he was in his best spell of form, which contradicted what het-field said

The one lying/exaggerating/misdirecting would be you saying Hogan was called up to the U-21's but deliberately omitting the fact that Hogan turned down that call-up, which, again, the article I posted references.

I remember posting this article to refute your nonsense before but in one ear and out the other it went.

2 points -

1. Hogan never states he's supporting England (although there would be absolutely nothing wrong if he did, nor would supporting England invalidate his Irishness), he is asked by the interviewer if he will be watching England in the Euros and he says he might but probably won't catch many games (seems like a real superfan alright!!).

2. Hogan didn't turn down the Under 21 call up - Rochdale requested that he not be released for it.

As usual then, you're existing in the realm of conjecture and half truth. I'll leave you to it.

1. "England do well I might watch an England game" suggests he was following England during the Euros; he didn't mention us once coincidentally. As dense as you are, even you can understand that.

2. He didn't accept the call-up. If you believe it was due to an injury, I have a bridge to sell you. Teams never want to release players for U21 games; it's generally dependent on the players being arsed to turn up. The fact he held out on accepting an Ireland call-up until his England hopes were dead in the water renders that moot anyway.


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No goals today. His legs are gone, finished at this level.
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Gets his sixth of the season.

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7th of the season, Birmingham fans raving over his performances.
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