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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

The Russians are planning to conduct missile tests 240k off the coast of Cork next month, within Irelands Economic Waters.

We could have a diplomatic issue on our hands

Whats Paddy going to do?  Our sole  national security response is to go over to their ships and smack the side of it with a plastic hammer with the slogan "Hammered by the Irish" on it


I read yesterday we don't even have a radar system to monitor them!

On another note, Russian far-right politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky said on Russian state TV during the week

“Stop flying to New York - this city will soon no longer exist.

“It’s time for events that no-one expects, that seemed a fantasy….

"The great America, the rich Europe - it all can stop….

“With some part of Europe disappearing… Kyiv, Warsaw, Riga, Tallinn and London.

“Not all Europe should be destroyed - but London (yes).

“Let the Scots, Irish, Welsh live."

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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

The Russians are planning to conduct missile tests 240k off the coast of Cork next month, within Irelands Economic Waters.

We could have a diplomatic issue on our hands
From what I read this is fairly standard affair,it's just that its Russians that's causing problems. If it was the French/Germans/Americans we wouldn't hear about it.
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Interesting article here BTW, telling the story somewhat from the Russian perspective. History has fairly f**ked them to be fair, you can kinda understand their paranoia. Although most of it beign 70+ years old.
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This is going to grow legs over the next few days/ weeks.

Russia has deliberately picked the sea off the Irish coast for these war games. Why exactly is still open to speculation but considering the wider geopolitical context at the moment, it's almost certain that the timing here isn't a coincidence.

It's an open secret within global security circles that our Defence Forces are a joke. Don't think for a second that this isn't something that will be leveraged by Putin, if he can exploit it at the expense of NATO/UK/US he will. With weak heads in 10 Downing Street & The White House at the moment, and Merkel having stepped down, he might think this is his time to make his move westwards.

Maybe trying to divert as much attention to the North Atlantic by creating a continental diplomatic incident, will give him the cover to move on the Ukraine?
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Interesting article here BTW, telling the story somewhat from the Russian perspective. History has fairly f**ked them to be fair, you can kinda understand their paranoia. Although most of it beign 70+ years old.



That’s why I’m unsure how much of an impact it is making in this day and age. Russia has gradually become more isolationist over time and has been forging its links with friendly forces in former soviet bloc countries. Perhaps it influences the rhetoric, but there has been a gradual expansion from Putin’s Russia, which puts them on a collision course with NATO. But given the creeping isolationism, I think they are more than happy to have that conflict.
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 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42362500

Interesting with the naval exercises planned.
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DON'T PANIC... the castletownbere flotilla is coming to the rescue. the russian admirals will be quaking in their boots.

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Military & Garda helicopters in the air over around the Airport (3in total) 
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The exercises in Cork have certainly raised a few issues around military neutrality and indeed Ireland’s capacities in terms of its defence abilities.
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Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Military & Garda helicopters in the air over around the Airport (3in total) 


That'll teach 'em
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

Originally posted by 9fingers 9fingers wrote:

Military & Garda helicopters in the air over around the Airport (3in total) 


That'll teach 'em
Yeah. 
I think it implies that foreign military/defence have arrived. 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

The exercises in Cork have certainly raised a few issues around military neutrality and indeed Ireland’s capacities in terms of its defence abilities.
Yeah we’ve not been neutral for quite some time. We just sold ourselves out so we didn’t have to fund our own military. 
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And from what I understand, neutrality tends to come with strong resourcing of defence. 

I think there is a genuine debate to be had about neutrality. 
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things seems to be hotting up with the latest non-Ukraine nationals warnings to leave the country - one wonders what intelligence they have that media haven’t heard yet.

The drug test failure of the 15yo seems to this cynic, a false flag made for home consumption propaganda event from Putin.
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They should cave and give the Russian's some concessions. If Russia plans on a lightening strike and quickly take control of Kyiv, it will fail and there will be war lines across civilian areas and will be terrible. The Ukrainians will not roll over. 

That scenario and the west been dragged into a bigger conflict by arming the Ukrainians is too much of a risk to take. 

Russia's bullying tactics are based on their long term beef of Nato encroaching onto it's borders, so tell the Ukraine goverment to f**k off and you are barred from any plans to join Nato for 10 years and try and work something out with Russia. 

Putin needs to save face, either war or win some concessions. 
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That would set a Precedent and on the expiry of the 10 year period Russia would repeat the aggression in order to engineer the outcome.
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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

They should cave and give the Russian's some concessions. If Russia plans on a lightening strike and quickly take control of Kyiv, it will fail and there will be war lines across civilian areas and will be terrible. The Ukrainians will not roll over. 

That scenario and the west been dragged into a bigger conflict by arming the Ukrainians is too much of a risk to take. 

Russia's bullying tactics are based on their long term beef of Nato encroaching onto it's borders, so tell the Ukraine goverment to f**k off and you are barred from any plans to join Nato for 10 years and try and work something out with Russia. 

Putin needs to save face, either war or win some concessions. 


They should give them the Sudetenland and that will keep them happy.
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