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Hotlips_Hoolahan ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Aug 2020 Status: Offline Points: 6600 |
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Came on in the 84th minute.
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You Tell Me ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6327 |
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A few nice touches but not much chance to impress. Forrest probably should have passed to him right at the end, he would have had a free shot from 7 or 8 yards.
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amccarten313 ![]() Davey Langan ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 973 |
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good to see him get on, hopefully he gets a few more games over the course of the year
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kevin100 ![]() Ray Houghton ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 2020 Location: Mallow Status: Offline Points: 3187 |
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Not to rain on this lads parade but is it not a bit suspect that they have just thrown him on like this as he’s attracting a lot of interest here and further afield in Europe from top clubs and is a potential contract renewal issue for Celtic!!
Not questioning his talent but I’m just seriously cynical with Celtic atm!
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horsebox ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 33770 |
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Very possible.
But Celtic have always played young players if they are good enough. Karamoko Dembélé was 16 when he made his debut played 8 games before a leg break and more injuries followed. Irish players who sign and are nowhere near good enough is another matter.
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It was far across the sea,
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The O'Shea ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8831 |
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Dembele was given a few token appearances and then never heard from again. He's now with Ligue 1 Brest and has made more appearances in 4 months with them than he did in 3 years with Celtic. He's yet another example of a highly talented youngster that Celtic failed to do anything to develop.
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We're decent enough..
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Howdo ![]() 500 Club la la la ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 726 |
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Tried the same with Doak when they got wind of Liverpool's interest, massive blunder by them there, will the same happen with Rocco, only thing with him is that he comes form a massive Celtic family, not so sure Doak did, whether that made any difference |
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kevin100 ![]() Ray Houghton ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 2020 Location: Mallow Status: Offline Points: 3187 |
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This is it! I have noticed a number of Scottish players have gone beyond England into the French and Italian Leagues looking for top flight football this summer! Doig,Dembele,Ferguson,Hendry! It’s gone okay for them in general so far all lads tipping away getting minutes! Back to Vata it’s just hard not to be cynical about Celtic atm!
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kevin100 ![]() Ray Houghton ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 2020 Location: Mallow Status: Offline Points: 3187 |
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I genuinely hope it does! I just can’t be optimistic about them at Celtic! I do agree Lawal and Vata are better prospects then the Irish boys gone before them. Looking at Connell for example who would have certainly been ready for bottom half SPL loans! Set him back 3 years and he’s already showing for Barnsley how good he is arguably too good for League 1! As for Doak I’m a 100% convinced he wouldn’t have broke through if he stayed at Celtic either! Not that he won’t find it tough at Liverpool!
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horsebox ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 33770 |
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It's hard to play when you've a broken ankle or on an operating table.
Then again, are your expectations that a 16yo is playing every game every week? What happened with Callum McGregor and James Forrest? they seem to be young players who were given a chance and played and are still playing. It comes down to if your good enough you will play. |
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It was far across the sea,
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kevin100 ![]() Ray Houghton ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 2020 Location: Mallow Status: Offline Points: 3187 |
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10 and 7 years ago these boys would have broke through! As discussed above even players like Doak and Dembele talented boys who would have had the “homegrown quota” going for them and all saw it best fit to go to Liverpool and Brest English and French top flight teams for football! It speaks volumes!
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horsebox ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 33770 |
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Tony Ralston, Stephen Welsh another 2 players who have come through the system in the last couple of years.
Dembele is no loss and he was right to leave as he was not going to play for Celtic as he was not good enough. it will be interesting to see how his career develops. How many 16/17 year olds are playing for other clubs? It simply comes down to being good enough. |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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84ccfc84 ![]() Kevin Kilbane ![]() Joined: 26 Sep 2022 Status: Offline Points: 184 |
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this guy clearly has something if he has impressed postecoglou enough to give him a few minutes of league action. hopefully he can stick around the first team in coming months and see more game time.
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The O'Shea ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8831 |
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Ralston has lost his place despite having an excellent season last year (as is the Celtic way, just keep signing more players which pushes the academy players down). Welsh is another who is likely on his way out of the club, did alright when he got a chance but was quickly thrown on the scrapheap when the shiny new signings were made. Celtic's current gameplan is to sign in quantity and hope a couple come good, they've no interest whatsoever in development.
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We're decent enough..
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ProudIrish ![]() Kevin Kilbane ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 2022 Location: Ashbourne Status: Offline Points: 213 |
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in hope he is set on Ireland and I would hate to see him revert to the jocks
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Here we go again, we're on the road again
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J89 ![]() Ray Houghton ![]() Joined: 25 Mar 2018 Status: Offline Points: 3111 |
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Surely if he had any interest in Scotland, the country he was born and raised in then he'd have chosen them rather than Ireland to play with. |
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horsebox ![]() Robbie Keane ![]() Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 33770 |
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And the goal posts move, again and again. Celtic are no different from any other club, if they can produce players who can play in the first team they will save millions of pounds. In some cases good players come through and make it and in most cases some don't. It really is that simple. How many league games will Doak play for Liverpool? |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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The O'Shea ![]() Jack Charlton ![]() ![]() I know everything and I’m NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8831 |
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Who's moving anything? The reality is that Celtic's record in actually nurturing young talent rather than just churning through it is appaling. Every Irish player who has went there has been worse the move - the ones who were clearly never good enough in the first place (ie Afolabi and Coffey) have proven that point subsequent to moving on in their career trajectories. The ones who actually had talent and could have been far better managed by Celtic (ie Okoflex, Connell, and O'Connor) have also proved as much after leaving. O'Connor is a linchpin for Tranmere and has consistently looked like a player with the ability to play at a higher level; Connell has had a very good start to his Barnsley career; and Okoflex almost immediately broke into West Ham's first team squad and is now making regular appearances off the bench for Swansea. Celtic did absolutely nothing to maximise the potential of these players, they basically left them to p*ss around in the reserves and just hope that they would magically become first teamers.
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We're decent enough..
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