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Topic: Rocco Vata
Posted By: Heimatklange
Subject: Rocco Vata
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2022 at 7:14pm
scores for the Celtic senior team in a friendly. Very young but looks like a serious prospect.



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Posted By: JoxerDaly
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2022 at 7:19pm
Scored the only goal of the second half, nice finish

https://twitter.com/chrismac1888/status/1544744581283123200?t=sRleSRzxvbz4fzdUi-rXGA&s=19" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/chrismac1888/status/1544744581283123200?t=sRleSRzxvbz4fzdUi-rXGA&s=19


Posted By: SC92
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2022 at 7:25pm
Nice finish. Good to see him involved he looked class in the u17s.


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2022 at 7:36pm
Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

Scored the only goal of the second half, nice finish

https://twitter.com/chrismac1888/status/1544744581283123200?t=sRleSRzxvbz4fzdUi-rXGA&s=19" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/chrismac1888/status/1544744581283123200?t=sRleSRzxvbz4fzdUi-rXGA&s=19
 

Quality goal.


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Posted By: Fozz
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 10:42am
Looks to have grown physically a fair bit since I last seen him for our 17's.

Another exciting attacking player, like Ferizaj.


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 11:01am
Would be good to see him and the other two young Irish lads there get decent game time in at least one of the more serious pre-season games, unfortunately yesterday's opposition was probably a similar standard to what he plays against regularly in the Lowland League.

Interesting though that all it took to start the Scottish media writing about his international eligibility was a goal against a bunch of Austrian part timers in a pre season game.

No end in sight to their decades long search for a decent goalscoring forward it seems.


Posted By: Howdo
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 11:50am
Micky D better get his twitter account sorted

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9121620/rocco-vatas-celtic-goalscoring-debut-hailed-by-albanian-president/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=scottishsunfootballfacebook&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1657186126" rel="nofollow - https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9121620/rocco-vatas-celtic-goalscoring-debut-hailed-by-albanian-president/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=scottishsunfootballfacebook&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1657186126


Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 12:54pm
What are the chances of him turning around and going towards Albania? His dad made the comments below previously:

“Nobody in the Albanian FA ever contacted me. I know Scotland have watched him but the Irish association was the first to get in contact,” his father Rudi told The Sun, adding he has been called a traitor in some social media abuse from his native country.

“They didn’t show any kind of respect, desire, or professionalism, and if they don’t do that, he will never touch a ball for Albania.

“I cannot dictate his decision. The most important thing is the boy is free to decide with his heart and mind. Anything can happen in the future but at the beginning, it is Ireland who have been in touch and shown interest and respect.”



Posted By: Eoink21
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 12:55pm
The Albanian president is absolutely flat out on about Celtic on Twitter. Seems to be a huge fan. You'd expect him to make that Tweet. But he has had no influence so far. 


Posted By: Hotlips_Hoolahan
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 12:56pm
You're throwing a grenade at a hornet's nest there, Andy.

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Posted By: The Huntacha
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 3:24pm
Originally posted by Eoink21 Eoink21 wrote:

The Albanian president is absolutely flat out on about Celtic on Twitter. Seems to be a huge fan. You'd expect him to make that Tweet. But he has had no influence so far. 

His dad is good mates with the president IIRC. 


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Posted By: Bandwagon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 3:45pm
I posted this before in another thread after I spotted grown men having a pop about the kids allegiances on Facebook awhile ago. This is his mam replying in the comments.




Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 5:14pm
Same applies to Ferizaj and Zefi Albania wont be nice about it they will be ruthless in there quests to get all 3 lads on board with them long term. 

See Broja for this brought him straight into the senior fold before he even made an appearance outside kids football! 

All 3 boys playing for us now that's all you can ask for. Pointless worrying about it after that. Be interesting to see will this rear it's head if Albania get to Euro 2024. All 3 boys look like coming up to men's football at a young age 3 fantastic prospects! 


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 5:35pm
I suppose the difference with Broja is that he doesn't seem to have played underage for England - Albania got there first. Obviously the three Irish lads are all in our system already. 

While Albania are similar to NI and Wales in that they don't have much senior squad depth and therefore can accommodate speculative call ups, I'd hope that the three lads will stay with us for their underage careers and only switch down the line if they're not getting a look in with our senior squad.


Posted By: Eoink21
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 6:53pm
Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Same applies to Ferizaj and Zefi Albania wont be nice about it they will be ruthless in there quests to get all 3 lads on board with them long term. 

See Broja for this brought him straight into the senior fold before he even made an appearance outside kids football! 

All 3 boys playing for us now that's all you can ask for. Pointless worrying about it after that. Be interesting to see will this rear it's head if Albania get to Euro 2024. All 3 boys look like coming up to men's football at a young age 3 fantastic prospects! 

Have a look at Ferizaj's father's Twitter. He is absolutely flat with the tri colours. Similar to Vata, these guys are part of relatively successful teams and have embraced playing for Ireland. 

https://twitter.com/ALTINFERIZAJ7?t=IBXyPTCuxC9EtwVzxec8-Q&s=09" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/ALTINFERIZAJ7?t=IBXyPTCuxC9EtwVzxec8-Q&s=09


Posted By: manchesterbhoy
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 7:10pm
Originally posted by Eoink21 Eoink21 wrote:

The Albanian president is absolutely flat out on about Celtic on Twitter. Seems to be a huge fan. You'd expect him to make that Tweet. But he has had no influence so far. 

President Meta attended the Celtic v Cluj 1-1 game in Romania a few years back i think thats when it all started then Rudi - Rocco's dad had already been friends 


Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 7:58pm
Originally posted by Eoink21 Eoink21 wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Same applies to Ferizaj and Zefi Albania wont be nice about it they will be ruthless in there quests to get all 3 lads on board with them long term. 

See Broja for this brought him straight into the senior fold before he even made an appearance outside kids football! 

All 3 boys playing for us now that's all you can ask for. Pointless worrying about it after that. Be interesting to see will this rear it's head if Albania get to Euro 2024. All 3 boys look like coming up to men's football at a young age 3 fantastic prospects! 

Have a look at Ferizaj's father's Twitter. He is absolutely flat with the tri colours. Similar to Vata, these guys are part of relatively successful teams and have embraced playing for Ireland. 

https://twitter.com/ALTINFERIZAJ7?t=IBXyPTCuxC9EtwVzxec8-Q&s=09" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/ALTINFERIZAJ7?t=IBXyPTCuxC9EtwVzxec8-Q&s=09

I dont have any worries about Ferizaj or Zefi, they are born and bred in ireland and look two of our best prospects.

Vata is a bit different in that he is born and raised in Scotland, his dad was captain of Albania and the pull of ireland might not therefore be as strong.


Posted By: Hotlips_Hoolahan
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 8:48pm
The Ferizaj and Zefi families are related aren't they?

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Posted By: Bandwagon
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by Hotlips_Hoolahan Hotlips_Hoolahan wrote:

The Ferizaj and Zefi families are related aren't they?


Yeah Justin and Kev are first cousins


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 10:49pm
No, they're not related. But all three of them trace their routes back to the same town in Albania - Shkodar.


Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 10:56pm
I do believe Justin and Zefi are first cousins. 

Vata not related 


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 11:03pm
Apparently they're not actually related - it was wrongly reported that they were cousins in a newspaper article once and the story grew legs from there. But seemingly that's not the case.


Posted By: t_rAndy
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2022 at 11:16pm
Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Apparently they're not actually related - it was wrongly reported that they were cousins in a newspaper article once and the story grew legs from there. But seemingly that's not the case.

Could be. Only ever got it from the reports


Posted By: Eoink21
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2022 at 6:54am
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kevin-zefi/profil/spieler/741225" rel="nofollow - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kevin-zefi/profil/spieler/741225

Not disputing the assertion they are not cousins but interestingly Transfermarkt seem to think that Zefi has another footballing cousin in Sergio Kalaj, an Italy born, Albanian under 21 centre half at Frosinone. It was widely reported he had family in Italy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Kalaj" rel="nofollow - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Kalaj


Posted By: Hotlips_Hoolahan
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2022 at 10:56am
Originally posted by Eoink21 Eoink21 wrote:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kevin-zefi/profil/spieler/741225" rel="nofollow - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kevin-zefi/profil/spieler/741225

Not disputing the assertion they are not cousins but interestingly Transfermarkt seem to think that Zefi has another footballing cousin in Sergio Kalaj, an Italy born, Albanian under 21 centre half at Frosinone. It was widely reported he had family in Italy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Kalaj" rel="nofollow - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Kalaj

Maybe the family name is Kelly and they changed it to Kalaj when they moved to Albania? Call him up!


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Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2022 at 11:01am
Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by Eoink21 Eoink21 wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Same applies to Ferizaj and Zefi Albania wont be nice about it they will be ruthless in there quests to get all 3 lads on board with them long term. 

See Broja for this brought him straight into the senior fold before he even made an appearance outside kids football! 

All 3 boys playing for us now that's all you can ask for. Pointless worrying about it after that. Be interesting to see will this rear it's head if Albania get to Euro 2024. All 3 boys look like coming up to men's football at a young age 3 fantastic prospects! 

Have a look at Ferizaj's father's Twitter. He is absolutely flat with the tri colours. Similar to Vata, these guys are part of relatively successful teams and have embraced playing for Ireland. 

https://twitter.com/ALTINFERIZAJ7?t=IBXyPTCuxC9EtwVzxec8-Q&s=09" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/ALTINFERIZAJ7?t=IBXyPTCuxC9EtwVzxec8-Q&s=09

I dont have any worries about Ferizaj or Zefi, they are born and bred in ireland and look two of our best prospects.

Vata is a bit different in that he is born and raised in Scotland, his dad was captain of Albania and the pull of ireland might not therefore be as strong.
 

I see no reason to have any worries about any of the 3 as this stage. All happy to play for us currently. It is something to bare in mind long term.

3 fantastic prospects anyways lucky to have them. I would agree that Ferizaj would be the least likely of the 3 to have his head turned 


Posted By: Fozz
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2022 at 12:04pm
I have no fears about any of these lads.
That U17 group seem very tight and committed.

All now aged out of 17's and so 19's their next call,up, yeah?
Anyone know when the 19's next gather?


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2022 at 12:34pm
They've got a qualification group in Wales during the international window in September for the 2023 finals - it's for players born after 1/1/04.

Group 4 (21–27 September): Republic of Ireland, Hungary, Wales (hosts), Gibraltar.

Top two go through to the elite phase in spring 2023 but they'd want to be winning that group to get a better draw for the elite round and a better chance to make the finals.

Finals are in Malta next summer so the heat probably wouldn't suit our lads if we got there.


Posted By: darman28
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2022 at 1:26pm
Vata scored twice for the Celtic Bs ( 3rd & 5th goals).
Lawal also scored the 2nd goal and assisted Vata's 3rd goal.
https://twitter.com/CelticFCB/status/1563813639089295360" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/CelticFCB/status/1563813639089295360


Posted By: J89
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2022 at 1:33pm
Good win for the lads against the local pub team. Big game next week against the lads from the Dog and Duck inn.


Posted By: Eoink21
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2022 at 2:16pm
Originally posted by darman28 darman28 wrote:

Vata scored twice for the Celtic Bs ( 3rd & 5th goals).
Lawal also scored the 2nd goal and assisted Vata's 3rd goal.
https://twitter.com/CelticFCB/status/1563813639089295360" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/CelticFCB/status/1563813639089295360

https://twitter.com/AnnFrancesMurr3/status/1563530139799285763?t=_Uu22t--FGxm7EpnBjEWQQ&s=19

McGeady was in attendance too and nabbed Vata for a photo after! 


Posted By: SeaSharp
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2022 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Good win for the lads against the local pub team. Big game next week against the lads from the Dog and Duck inn.
LOL


Posted By: amccarten313
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2022 at 1:20am
Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Good win for the lads against the local pub team. Big game next week against the lads from the Dog and Duck inn.


sadly very accurate in terms of the standard


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 7:29pm
Good to see him on the first team bench tonight.


Posted By: Heimatklange
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 8:06pm
Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Good to see him on the first team bench tonight.
That the first time he makes the bench?


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 8:58pm
First time in the league anyway.


Posted By: Hotlips_Hoolahan
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 9:45pm
Came on in the 84th minute.

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Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 9:54pm
A few nice touches but not much chance to impress. Forrest probably should have passed to him right at the end, he would have had a free shot from 7 or 8 yards.


Posted By: amccarten313
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 11:33pm
good to see him get on, hopefully he gets a few more games over the course of the year


Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 10:44am
Not to rain on this lads parade but is it not a bit suspect that they have just thrown him on like this as he’s attracting a lot of interest here and further afield in Europe from top clubs and is a potential contract renewal issue for Celtic!! 

Not questioning his talent but I’m just seriously cynical with Celtic atm! 


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 11:07am
Very possible.

But Celtic have always played young players if they are good enough.  Karamoko Dembélé was 16 when he made his debut played 8 games before a leg break and more injuries followed.

Irish players who sign and are nowhere near good enough is another matter.


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I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 11:53am
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Very possible.

But Celtic have always played young players if they are good enough.  Karamoko Dembélé was 16 when he made his debut played 8 games before a leg break and more injuries followed.

Irish players who sign and are nowhere near good enough is another matter.

Dembele was given a few token appearances and then never heard from again. He's now with Ligue 1 Brest and has made more appearances in 4 months with them than he did in 3 years with Celtic. He's yet another example of a highly talented youngster that Celtic failed to do anything to develop.


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Posted By: Howdo
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Not to rain on this lads parade but is it not a bit suspect that they have just thrown him on like this as he’s attracting a lot of interest here and further afield in Europe from top clubs and is a potential contract renewal issue for Celtic!! 

Not questioning his talent but I’m just seriously cynical with Celtic atm! 


Tried the same with Doak when they got wind of Liverpool's interest, massive blunder by them there, will the same happen with Rocco, only thing with him is that he comes form a massive Celtic family, not so sure Doak did, whether that made any difference


Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Very possible.

But Celtic have always played young players if they are good enough.  Karamoko Dembélé was 16 when he made his debut played 8 games before a leg break and more injuries followed.

Irish players who sign and are nowhere near good enough is another matter.

Dembele was given a few token appearances and then never heard from again. He's now with Ligue 1 Brest and has made more appearances in 4 months with them than he did in 3 years with Celtic. He's yet another example of a highly talented youngster that Celtic failed to do anything to develop.
 

This is it! I have noticed a number of Scottish players have gone beyond England into the French and Italian Leagues looking for top flight football this summer! Doig,Dembele,Ferguson,Hendry! It’s gone okay for them in general so far all lads tipping away getting minutes! 

Back to Vata it’s just hard not to be cynical about Celtic atm! 


Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by Howdo Howdo wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Not to rain on this lads parade but is it not a bit suspect that they have just thrown him on like this as he’s attracting a lot of interest here and further afield in Europe from top clubs and is a potential contract renewal issue for Celtic!! 

Not questioning his talent but I’m just seriously cynical with Celtic atm! 


Tried the same with Doak when they got wind of Liverpool's interest, massive blunder by them there, will the same happen with Rocco, only thing with him is that he comes form a massive Celtic family, not so sure Doak did, whether that made any difference
 

I genuinely hope it does! I just can’t be optimistic about them at Celtic! I do agree Lawal and Vata are better prospects then the Irish  boys gone before them. Looking at Connell for example who would have certainly been ready for bottom half SPL loans! Set him back 3 years and he’s already showing for Barnsley how good he is arguably too good for League 1! 

As for Doak I’m a 100% convinced he wouldn’t have broke through if he stayed at Celtic either! Not that he won’t find it tough at Liverpool! 


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 12:41pm
It's hard to play when you've a broken ankle or on an operating table.

Then again, are your expectations that a 16yo is playing every game every week?

What happened with Callum McGregor and James Forrest? they seem to be young players who were given a chance and played and are still playing.

It comes down to if your good enough you will play.



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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to


Posted By: kevin100
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

It's hard to play when you've a broken ankle or on an operating table.

Then again, are your expectations that a 16yo is playing every game every week?

What happened with Callum McGregor and James Forrest? they seem to be young players who were given a chance and played and are still playing.

It comes down to if your good enough you will play.

 

10 and 7 years ago these boys would have broke through! As discussed above even players like Doak and Dembele talented boys who would have had the “homegrown quota” going for them and all saw it best fit to go to Liverpool and Brest English and French top flight teams for football! 

It speaks volumes!


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 12:59pm
Tony Ralston, Stephen Welsh another 2 players who have come through the system in the last couple of years.

Dembele is no loss and he was right to leave as he was not going to play for Celtic as he was not good enough. it will be interesting to see how his career develops.

How many 16/17 year olds are playing for other clubs?

It simply comes down to being good enough. 




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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to


Posted By: 84ccfc84
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 1:15pm
this guy clearly has something if he has impressed postecoglou enough to give him a few minutes of league action. hopefully he can stick around the first team in coming months and see more game time. 


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Tony Ralston, Stephen Welsh another 2 players who have come through the system in the last couple of years.

Dembele is no loss and he was right to leave as he was not going to play for Celtic as he was not good enough. it will be interesting to see how his career develops.

How many 16/17 year olds are playing for other clubs?

It simply comes down to being good enough. 



Ralston has lost his place despite having an excellent season last year (as is the Celtic way, just keep signing more players which pushes the academy players down). Welsh is another who is likely on his way out of the club, did alright when he got a chance but was quickly thrown on the scrapheap when the shiny new signings were made. 

Celtic's current gameplan is to sign in quantity and hope a couple come good, they've no interest whatsoever in development.


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Posted By: ProudIrish
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 1:41pm
in hope he is set on Ireland and I would hate to see him revert to the jocks 

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Posted By: J89
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by ProudIrish ProudIrish wrote:

in hope he is set on Ireland and I would hate to see him revert to the jocks 


Surely if he had any interest in Scotland, the country he was born and raised in then he'd have chosen them rather than Ireland to play with.


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Tony Ralston, Stephen Welsh another 2 players who have come through the system in the last couple of years.

Dembele is no loss and he was right to leave as he was not going to play for Celtic as he was not good enough. it will be interesting to see how his career develops.

How many 16/17 year olds are playing for other clubs?

It simply comes down to being good enough. 



Ralston has lost his place despite having an excellent season last year (as is the Celtic way, just keep signing more players which pushes the academy players down). Welsh is another who is likely on his way out of the club, did alright when he got a chance but was quickly thrown on the scrapheap when the shiny new signings were made. 

Celtic's current gameplan is to sign in quantity and hope a couple come good, they've no interest whatsoever in development.

And the goal posts move, again and again.

Celtic are no different from any other club, if they can produce players who can play in the first team they will save millions of pounds. 
In some cases good players come through and make it and in most cases some don't. It really is that simple.

How many league games will Doak play for Liverpool?





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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me,
He wouldn't set me free,
So he kept me soul for ransom.
na na na na na na na na na
na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to


Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Tony Ralston, Stephen Welsh another 2 players who have come through the system in the last couple of years.

Dembele is no loss and he was right to leave as he was not going to play for Celtic as he was not good enough. it will be interesting to see how his career develops.

How many 16/17 year olds are playing for other clubs?

It simply comes down to being good enough. 



Ralston has lost his place despite having an excellent season last year (as is the Celtic way, just keep signing more players which pushes the academy players down). Welsh is another who is likely on his way out of the club, did alright when he got a chance but was quickly thrown on the scrapheap when the shiny new signings were made. 

Celtic's current gameplan is to sign in quantity and hope a couple come good, they've no interest whatsoever in development.

And the goal posts move, again and again.

Celtic are no different from any other club, if they can produce players who can play in the first team they will save millions of pounds. 
In some cases good players come through and make it and in most cases some don't. It really is that simple.

How many league games will Doak play for Liverpool?




Who's moving anything? The reality is that Celtic's record in actually nurturing young talent rather than just churning through it is appaling.

Every Irish player who has went there has been worse the move - the ones who were clearly never good enough in the first place (ie Afolabi and Coffey) have proven that point subsequent to moving on in their career trajectories. The ones who actually had talent and could have been far better managed by Celtic (ie Okoflex, Connell, and O'Connor) have also proved as much after leaving. O'Connor is a linchpin for Tranmere and has consistently looked like a player with the ability to play at a higher level; Connell has had a very good start to his Barnsley career; and Okoflex almost immediately broke into West Ham's first team squad and is now making regular appearances off the bench for Swansea. Celtic did absolutely nothing to maximise the potential of these players, they basically left them to p*ss around in the reserves and just hope that they would magically become first teamers.


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Posted By: Fozz
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 2:43pm
Euros Elite phase matches coming up for Rocco in March and then possibly finals in the Summer, all going very well.
He'll be 18 in April and a promotion to the 21's again they play serious matches again in the Autumn would not be out of the question.
Still only 17 but seems to have been around a while now...exciting talent.


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Tony Ralston, Stephen Welsh another 2 players who have come through the system in the last couple of years.

Dembele is no loss and he was right to leave as he was not going to play for Celtic as he was not good enough. it will be interesting to see how his career develops.

How many 16/17 year olds are playing for other clubs?

It simply comes down to being good enough. 



Ralston has lost his place despite having an excellent season last year (as is the Celtic way, just keep signing more players which pushes the academy players down). Welsh is another who is likely on his way out of the club, did alright when he got a chance but was quickly thrown on the scrapheap when the shiny new signings were made. 

Celtic's current gameplan is to sign in quantity and hope a couple come good, they've no interest whatsoever in development.

And the goal posts move, again and again.

Celtic are no different from any other club, if they can produce players who can play in the first team they will save millions of pounds. 
In some cases good players come through and make it and in most cases some don't. It really is that simple.

How many league games will Doak play for Liverpool?




Who's moving anything? The reality is that Celtic's record in actually nurturing young talent rather than just churning through it is appaling.

Every Irish player who has went there has been worse the move - the ones who were clearly never good enough in the first place (ie Afolabi and Coffey) have proven that point subsequent to moving on in their career trajectories. The ones who actually had talent and could have been far better managed by Celtic (ie Okoflex, Connell, and O'Connor) have also proved as much after leaving. O'Connor is a linchpin for Tranmere and has consistently looked like a player with the ability to play at a higher level; Connell has had a very good start to his Barnsley career; and Okoflex almost immediately broke into West Ham's first team squad and is now making regular appearances off the bench for Swansea. Celtic did absolutely nothing to maximise the potential of these players, they basically left them to p*ss around in the reserves and just hope that they would magically become first teamers.

It's Celtic's fault Afolabi and Coffey turned out to be mediocre players?

Lee O'Connor only played for Celtic for 3 months, he signed and then got loaned out. He was not good enough for Celtic, but used his loan period wisely and will carve out a good career for himself at a lower level and good luck to him.

I agree with Connell that he never really got an opportunity, but the reality is that there was a lot of players ahead of him.

Okoflex played and was nowhere near good enough - it will be interesting to see how he develops. But I don't think he was any loss from what I saw.

I've listed 4 random players above who Celtic developed through the ranks and still continue to play, and again if your good enough you will play.

I don't think Celtic are doing anything differently than any other club to be honest.




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Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 5:08pm
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Tony Ralston, Stephen Welsh another 2 players who have come through the system in the last couple of years.

Dembele is no loss and he was right to leave as he was not going to play for Celtic as he was not good enough. it will be interesting to see how his career develops.

How many 16/17 year olds are playing for other clubs?

It simply comes down to being good enough. 



Ralston has lost his place despite having an excellent season last year (as is the Celtic way, just keep signing more players which pushes the academy players down). Welsh is another who is likely on his way out of the club, did alright when he got a chance but was quickly thrown on the scrapheap when the shiny new signings were made. 

Celtic's current gameplan is to sign in quantity and hope a couple come good, they've no interest whatsoever in development.

And the goal posts move, again and again.

Celtic are no different from any other club, if they can produce players who can play in the first team they will save millions of pounds. 
In some cases good players come through and make it and in most cases some don't. It really is that simple.

How many league games will Doak play for Liverpool?




Who's moving anything? The reality is that Celtic's record in actually nurturing young talent rather than just churning through it is appaling.

Every Irish player who has went there has been worse the move - the ones who were clearly never good enough in the first place (ie Afolabi and Coffey) have proven that point subsequent to moving on in their career trajectories. The ones who actually had talent and could have been far better managed by Celtic (ie Okoflex, Connell, and O'Connor) have also proved as much after leaving. O'Connor is a linchpin for Tranmere and has consistently looked like a player with the ability to play at a higher level; Connell has had a very good start to his Barnsley career; and Okoflex almost immediately broke into West Ham's first team squad and is now making regular appearances off the bench for Swansea. Celtic did absolutely nothing to maximise the potential of these players, they basically left them to p*ss around in the reserves and just hope that they would magically become first teamers.

It's Celtic's fault Afolabi and Coffey turned out to be mediocre players?

Lee O'Connor only played for Celtic for 3 months, he signed and then got loaned out. He was not good enough for Celtic, but used his loan period wisely and will carve out a good career for himself at a lower level and good luck to him.

I agree with Connell that he never really got an opportunity, but the reality is that there was a lot of players ahead of him.

Okoflex played and was nowhere near good enough - it will be interesting to see how he develops. But I don't think he was any loss from what I saw.

I've listed 4 random players above who Celtic developed through the ranks and still continue to play, and again if your good enough you will play.

I don't think Celtic are doing anything differently than any other club to be honest.



Your very first sentence shows you never even bothered to read the post - I explicitly stated that Afolabi and Coffey were never going to be good enough and that their subsequent moves have borne this out.

It was the others mentioned who all have legitimate potential that was completely squandered by Celtic's meat-grinder approach to player signings.


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Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 7:49pm
Meat grinder approach ffs LOL

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Posted By: Green Cockade
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2022 at 7:31pm
Vata scores today for Celtic B in a 5-2 win over Rangers B. Charlie McCann contributes a penalty for Rangers B cancelled out by an own goal at the other end.


Posted By: Hotlips_Hoolahan
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2022 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by J89 J89 wrote:

Originally posted by ProudIrish ProudIrish wrote:

in hope he is set on Ireland and I would hate to see him revert to the jocks 


Surely if he had any interest in Scotland, the country he was born and raised in then he'd have chosen them rather than Ireland to play with.

Scotland have never contacted them according to Vata's father.

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/9974561/teenage-son-debut-celtic-ireland-rudi-vata/amp/" rel="nofollow - https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/9974561/teenage-son-debut-celtic-ireland-rudi-vata/amp/


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Posted By: Eoink21
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2022 at 1:49pm
Found this quite funny. Rocco giving a bit to Charlie McCann. 

https://twitter.com/IrishPropaganda/status/1608904867518742528?t=AeN3PLq9yJGI3tdP34pCzQ&s=19" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/IrishPropaganda/status/1608904867518742528?t=AeN3PLq9yJGI3tdP34pCzQ&s=19


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2023 at 10:57am


https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/scottish-football/celtic-fc/republic-ireland-youth-star-rocco-29219703" rel="nofollow - https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/scottish-football/celtic-fc/republic-ireland-youth-star-rocco-29219703" rel="nofollow -

Republic of Ireland youth star Rocco Vata is showing "really good promise" at Celtic, according to the club's captain Callum McGregor. The 17-year-old son of ex-Hoops star Rudi Vata had been ...



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Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2023 at 10:59am
Has to start against France. 


Posted By: Fozz
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2023 at 11:56am
Mentions an ankle injury...wonder will he be fit for the 19s matches next month?


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2023 at 11:58am
Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Has to start against France. 

Alongside Dan Crowley.


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Posted By: Borussia
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2023 at 11:59am
Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Has to start against France. 

Alongside Dan Crowley.
A serious team that with Ryan Nolan anchoring the back line!

In terms of Vata, it does seem to feel like Celtic do rate him so maybe he will get more of a look in than the likes of Luca Connell etc. 


Posted By: Stimpy
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2023 at 1:23pm
If he's an Irishman doing well at Celtic then there's definitely something to to be excited about 


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2023 at 2:47pm
He could be the next Anthony Stokes.


Posted By: TheNumber6
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 1:16pm
This lad should genuinely be fast tracked to senior side.


Posted By: John Nice
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by TheNumber6 TheNumber6 wrote:

This lad should genuinely be fast tracked to senior side.

Ah come on, he looks talented, but he's 17 and has played one senior game of football. 


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Posted By: Luis Amor Rodriguez
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by TheNumber6 TheNumber6 wrote:

This lad should genuinely be fast tracked to senior side.

Ah come on, he looks talented, but he's 17 and has played one senior game of football. 

Of course.  Hourihane, Daryl Horgan and CJ Hamilton should be in ahead of him.

If Vata's talented enough, or looks like he soon will be talented enough, he's one they could make space for, in a developmental capacity at least.

We shouldn't have to wait for a lad to make 20 first-team appearances like Joe Hodge or Will Smallbone before they're even considered, if they look like they have the talent. 


Posted By: John Nice
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by Luis Amor Rodriguez Luis Amor Rodriguez wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by TheNumber6 TheNumber6 wrote:

This lad should genuinely be fast tracked to senior side.

Ah come on, he looks talented, but he's 17 and has played one senior game of football. 

Of course.  Hourihane, Daryl Horgan and CJ Hamilton should be in ahead of him.

If Vata's talented enough, or looks like he soon will be talented enough, he's one they could make space for, in a developmental capacity at least.

We shouldn't have to wait for a lad to make 20 first-team appearances like Joe Hodge or Will Smallbone before they're even considered, if they look like they have the talent. 

Firstly, none of the three listed should be in the Irish squad and I dont see anybody on here clamouring for their inclusion. 

Vata has made one brief sub app for Celtic in the SPL. He looks very good playing for Celtic's B Team in the Scottish Lowland League and at U17 level internationally, he has played just twice for our U19 team. The next step (if his underage coaches consider him good enough) would be promotion to the U21s for their next campaign which begins in September. Meantime he has the U19 games in March and hopefully the U19 Euros in June to concentrate on.

I havent seen enough of him to know whether or not he is an exceptional talent, he is certainly getting rave reviews playing in what is effectively a pub league. Until he actually plays some form of senior football, there is absolutely no way he should even be considered for a full Irish squad. If, hopefully when, he breaks into Celtic's first team, then he can put himself into contention.


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Posted By: TheNumber6
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 8:16pm
I’d contend his Youth League performance v Real Madrid certainly offers grounds for u21 inclusion. To O’Neill’s credit he brought a certain Declan Rice in to a Fota island training camp a year in advance of his first call up. Whilst not tempting faith I’d like to see the next Nations League / game v Gibraltar used correctly. 


Posted By: Badgersboys9
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 8:24pm
This lad is nowhere near a senior call up ffs. As mentioned previously, he's a 17yo lad playing in a pub league. It's comical that his name and a snr call up is even being mentioned at this stage.


Posted By: John Nice
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by TheNumber6 TheNumber6 wrote:

I’d contend his Youth League performance v Real Madrid certainly offers grounds for u21 inclusion. To O’Neill’s credit he brought a certain Declan Rice in to a Fota island training camp a year in advance of his first call up. Whilst not tempting faith I’d like to see the next Nations League / game v Gibraltar used correctly. 

Trent kong doherty is ripping it up in the youth league also and he's 16, they play vs their peers, should we promote him too? Zefi? Heffernan? Abankwah? Where do you draw the line? If he was on the brink of a real first team breakthrough at Celtic, maybe!


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Posted By: The O'Shea
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 9:33pm
21's call up wouldn't be outrageous. Too many guys ahead of him currently to jump for a senior place.

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Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 8:26am

https://www.67hailhail.com/celtic-youth/celtic-coach-indicates-rocco-vata-is-just-the-start-of-exciting-youth-drive-under-ange/" rel="nofollow - https://www.67hailhail.com/celtic-youth/celtic-coach-indicates-rocco-vata-is-just-the-start-of-exciting-youth-drive-under-ange/" rel="nofollow -

Celtic B coach Stephen McManus is hoping to see more youngsters in Ange Postecoglou’s senior side before the end of the season after Rocco Vata made another appearance for the Bhoys. McManus and Darren O’Dea have taken joint leadership of the B team project this season after the exit of Tommy McIntyre.



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Posted By: tonyjaa
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2023 at 5:43pm
He came on for about 5mins in injury time (it was 8 in total) last weekend and expected to be on the bench in the Glasgow Derby this weekend too

Hardly touched the ball lol


Posted By: Badgersboys9
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2023 at 6:20pm
Originally posted by tonyjaa tonyjaa wrote:

He came on for about 5mins in injury time (it was 8 in total) last weekend and expected to be on the bench in the Glasgow Derby this weekend too

Hardly touched the ball lol

Lmao


Posted By: TheNumber6
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2023 at 8:04pm
Originally posted by Badgersboys9 Badgersboys9 wrote:

Originally posted by tonyjaa tonyjaa wrote:

He came on for about 5mins in injury time (it was 8 in total) last weekend and expected to be on the bench in the Glasgow Derby this weekend too

Hardly touched the ball lol

Lmao

Rofl 


Posted By: Heimatklange
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2023 at 12:24pm
on the bench again today with Celtic 3-0 up after 30 minutes. Maybe he gets minutes?


Posted By: tonyjaa
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2023 at 1:26pm
bhoy comes on last 27 + stoppage


Posted By: Banana_RepublicFC
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2023 at 1:40pm
Robbed of a good assist by Oh.


Posted By: tonyjaa
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2023 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by Banana_RepublicFC Banana_RepublicFC wrote:

Robbed of a good assist by Oh.


Yeah that was a great cross
OH needs to keep that shot down and it's in


Posted By: BrendanD88
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2023 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by tonyjaa tonyjaa wrote:

Originally posted by Banana_RepublicFC Banana_RepublicFC wrote:

Robbed of a good assist by Oh.


Yeah that was a great cross
OH needs to keep that shot down and it's in

He did keep it down! It went wide.


Posted By: tonyjaa
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2023 at 9:46am
Birthday bhoys only 18 today


Posted By: tonyjaa
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2023 at 9:52am
https://twitter.com/CelticFCB/status/1647957531007012864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1647957531007012864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/CelticFCB/status/1647957531007012864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1647957531007012864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Nice vid


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2023 at 10:49am

I thought Rocca did well coming on against Motherwell yesterday.

He provide a couple of quality crosses particuarly the one for Oh which he should have burried.


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Posted By: tonyjaa
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2023 at 11:48am
Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:


I thought Rocca did well coming on against Motherwell yesterday.

He provide a couple of quality crosses particuarly the one for Oh which he should have burried.

Again ffs, OH needs to get in gear

Vata looking promising, he's beyond going back to the B development team level - a season long loan to a fellow spl team would definitely improve him

Aberdeen or St Mirren maybe since they are one of the few teams who like to attack


Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 11 May 2023 at 3:12pm
Was apparently the best player on the pitch in the Glasgow Cup final (Celtic B v Rangers B) last night. Unfortunately he went off with a knock, hopefully that doesn't stop him from getting more first team minutes before the end of the season.

Celtic won on penalties, Lawal scored one of the pens but was poor enough in the game itself.


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 20 May 2023 at 12:36pm

Speculation that Rocco will be starting for Celtic v St Mirren this afternoon.


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Posted By: You Tell Me
Date Posted: 20 May 2023 at 1:50pm
Did the people speculating confuse him with Iwata?! Vata is still injured I think.


Posted By: Double Maxim
Date Posted: 20 May 2023 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by You Tell Me You Tell Me wrote:

Did the people speculating confuse him with Iwata?! Vata is still injured I think.
 

It was on a Celtic fans site.


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Posted By: tetsujin1979
Date Posted: 20 May 2023 at 2:09pm
Not even on the bench
https://twitter.com/CelticFC/status/1659903045491216386" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/CelticFC/status/1659903045491216386



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Posted By: TheNumber6
Date Posted: 21 May 2023 at 12:12pm
Got injured in a youth game against the Huns hence his unavailability.


Posted By: John Nice
Date Posted: 25 May 2023 at 5:54pm
Got injured at a most inopportune time, just when Ange by his own admission is giving chances to the fringe players. I think he would almost certainly have started a game or two.

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Posted By: TheNumber6
Date Posted: 26 May 2023 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Got injured at a most inopportune time, just when Ange by his own admission is giving chances to the fringe players. I think he would almost certainly have started a game or two.

The way Celtic are playing at the minute, you or I would get a run out. 


Posted By: horsebox
Date Posted: 26 May 2023 at 1:46pm
Originally posted by TheNumber6 TheNumber6 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Got injured at a most inopportune time, just when Ange by his own admission is giving chances to the fringe players. I think he would almost certainly have started a game or two.

The way Celtic are playing at the minute, you or I would get a run out. 

Your must be better than Luca Connell then.


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na na na na na na na na.
I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to


Posted By: Luis Amor Rodriguez
Date Posted: 26 May 2023 at 2:45pm
I've a vague memory that someone here said Rocco Vata is a free-agent at the end of this season (i.e.: in a few weeks)? 

And, if so, that has incentivised Ange to give him a few more runs to dangle the first-team football in front of him? 

As discussed here many times, I'd agree with the general sentiment and much prefer any young Irish prospect goes elsewhere for their development, where they won't rot in a sub-standard reserves and/or academy league. 


Posted By: J89
Date Posted: 26 May 2023 at 2:49pm
No he's got one year left on his deal unless there's the option to extend his contract an extra year.



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