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    Posted: 07 Sep 2016 at 12:01pm
This weekend:

Belarus 0-0 France
Faroe's 0-0 Hungary
Kazakhstan 2-2 Poland

Latvia only beat Andorra (FIFA ranked 203) 1-0
Bulgaria needed a 92nd min winner to beat Luxembourg

Yes I know Spain won by 8 etc etc but there is an increasing frequency of poor/average ranked teams getting results

A draw in Serbia wasn't so bad as a result...maybe

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Originally posted by GB 1HughJarse GB 1HughJarse wrote:

This weekend:

Belarus 0-0 France
Faroe's 0-0 Hungary
Kazakhstan 2-2 Poland

Latvia only beat Andorra (FIFA ranked 203) 1-0
Bulgaria needed a 92nd min winner to beat Luxembourg

Yes I know Spain won by 8 etc etc but there is an increasing frequency of poor/average ranked teams getting results

A draw in Serbia wasn't so bad as a result...maybe



while i'm not so sure on this but as a whole defo there are no real easy games now. even the poor teams are compact and make things difficult. seen some of that france game last night and they were poor. the luxembourg one away in bulgaria was a bit of a suprise.
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No easy games in international football? Absolutely agree.


Draw away to Serbia a good result? Absolutely agree.
 
But I think what people will have difficulties with is the performance. Think we were quite fortunate to get anything out of the game and seemed to be playing a bit headless for large parts of it. With that in mind, a draw is a fantastic result. Qualifying campaigns are a marathon not a sprint so theres plenty of football to be played.
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Serbia have a very strong team and I wouldn't class them as minnows.
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It's all relative at the end of the day it's a results based business we'll be there supporting the boys and MON till the very end....expect many twists and turns in this campaign just like the last
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Totally agree with the sentiment.

The problem for me is non-football fans or non-international fans who tink Ireland have some god given right to win every game, and think "I've never heard of Georgia, how did Ireland not whallop them".

Also the strength in international football has changed perception of World Rankings. Previously we'd be expecting to beat anyone below 30ish. Now there's decent teams all the way down to about 100, certainly in UEFA
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San Marino, Gibraltar & Liechtenstein should be a walk in the park for any sort of half decent team. 


Luxembourg and Faroe Islands have had some good results over the past few years so I'm not surprised they got decent results this week (I know Luxembourg were beaten last night).


I would never class Belarus or Kazakhstan as whipping boys/minnows. They are always difficult opponents. I've no idea why Serbia are on your list.
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Check out Asian world cup qualifying, no easy games  in 'international' football ya say..........
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Originally posted by bannerboy95 bannerboy95 wrote:

It's all relative at the end of the day it's a results based business we'll be there supporting the boys and MON till the very end....expect many twists and turns in this campaign just like the last

Definitely. If we'd played wonderful attacking football the other night and created loads of chances but lost 2-1 or 3-2, we'd be in a worse position than we actually are right now. 'Performances' are very little use unless you're getting results as well.
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Definitely agree with this within UEFA

The top seeds are still great (Germany, France), the bottom seeds are still crap (The rock, Andorra) but what we are seeing is the gap between the 2nd and 5th seeds becoming very narrow.

The pool of player and tactics are much better than 20 years ago.

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Originally posted by Zinedine Kilbane 110 Zinedine Kilbane 110 wrote:

Definitely agree with this within UEFA

The top seeds are still great (Germany, France), the bottom seeds are still crap (The rock, Andorra) but what we are seeing is the gap between the 2nd and 5th seeds becoming very narrow.

The pool of player and tactics are much better than 20 years ago.

i don't think France are great, yes they have some excellent players but i would'nt fear them. they were awful last night i thought. Only really Germany and on their day Spain would i really not want to face(within europe now im talking). other than that theres nothing much between a lot of teams.
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Originally posted by Shedite Shedite wrote:

Totally agree with the sentiment.

The problem for me is non-football fans or non-international fans who tink Ireland have some god given right to win every game, and think "I've never heard of Georgia, how did Ireland not whallop them".

Also the strength in international football has changed perception of World Rankings. Previously we'd be expecting to beat anyone below 30ish. Now there's decent teams all the way down to about 100, certainly in UEFA
Is it beyond the irish players to pass the ball 5 yards to each other during a match? I'm an irish football fan and I do not expect that much.
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See the Spain and Bosnia results ?
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

San Marino, Gibraltar & Liechtenstein should be a walk in the park for any sort of half decent team. 


Luxembourg and Faroe Islands have had some good results over the past few years so I'm not surprised they got decent results this week (I know Luxembourg were beaten last night).


I would never class Belarus or Kazakhstan as whipping boys/minnows. They are always difficult opponents. I've no idea why Serbia are on your list.
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I wasn't classing Serbia as minnows, I was just saying that by the reaction to last nights match, you'd think we were playing minnows.
Some of the minnows are doing well, we were playing a team with a history of players with technique, pedigree and tournament qualification success.
As someone said....we never win in these places (Croatia, Bulgaria etc), very much doubt that Wales and Austria will leave Belgrade with 3 points.
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

San Marino, Gibraltar & Liechtenstein should be a walk in the park for any sort of half decent team. 


Luxembourg and Faroe Islands have had some good results over the past few years so I'm not surprised they got decent results this week (I know Luxembourg were beaten last night).


I would never class Belarus or Kazakhstan as whipping boys/minnows. They are always difficult opponents. I've no idea why Serbia are on your list.

Sorry but your expectations must be low. 
We should be annihilating teams from Pot 5 downwards, the only exception is Georgia away, but everyone knows about that now, it's so predictable they're just going to defend with 11 men in their own half for the entire 90 minutes and maybe snatch a goal if the other teams commits too heavily.
That isn't football, Gibraltar played more positive football than that ffs.
 
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Gibraltar and Andorra are possibly the only 2 'bankers' in European football......the rest is a combination of the weaker teams not being as weak as they were and the stronger teams not being as strong as they were.......8 times out of 10 you'd expect to pick up wins against 4th/5th seeds ....but the odd result will get thrown up, most are capable now in a one off game
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Originally posted by gazurtoids gazurtoids wrote:

Gibraltar and Andorra are possibly the only 2 'bankers' in European football......the rest is a combination of the weaker teams not being as weak as they were and the stronger teams not being as strong as they were.......8 times out of 10 you'd expect to pick up wins against 4th/5th seeds ....but the odd result will get thrown up, most are capable now in a one off game


San Marino only lost 0-1 at home to Azerbaijan.

I'd still put them as low as Gibraltar and Andorra mind, but there are definitely massive improvements in the weaker teams.

First it was keeping the scoreline down and now it's getting the odd positive result.
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