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That's that for March so.
CH pairings selected from Duffy, Clark, O'Shea, Long.  That it?

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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

That's that for March so.
CH pairings selected from Duffy, Clark, O'Shea, Long.  That it?


Lenihan too 
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Dislocated toe apparently 8 weeks out

Kinda pleased that it's just a dislocated toe rather that anything ligament related to be honest.

He'll make a full recovery from the toe at least.
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Clark will surely start. With egan now out it seems highly unlikely that Kenny would axe Duffy from the centre-back pairing. Getting less optimistic by the day given the players available to us (and the form of those players)
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Yep, Duffy/Clark would seem the obvious choice.
A ballsy choice would be to star Clark/O'Shea but I fear Kenny's Achilles could be his over-reliance on players who are in poor form - we shall see what midfield trio he picks which will tell us a lot about that too.


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Originally posted by Fozz Fozz wrote:

Yep, Duffy/Clark would seem the obvious choice.
A ballsy choice would be to star Clark/O'Shea but I fear Kenny's Achilles could be his over-reliance on players who are in poor form - we shall see what midfield trio he picks which will tell us a lot about that too.


Agree on the ballsy choice. Would say that his midfield choice will be the defining choice he makes though. 

Kenny must be acutely aware that a loss to Serbia in game 1 puts us in a terrible up hill battle. 

The traditionally pragmatic choice of starting the likes of Duffy Hendrick McCarthy in a "tough away game", I feel will unfortunately definitely not lead to a win, and everything just points to a loss. 

So many regulars in poor form and certain players just not suited to the system means the idea of playing "safe" options might be anything but. 
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Originally posted by DalyerRegular DalyerRegular wrote:

Recall for Keogh?

Would be my inclination. It is a world cup qualifier away from home. I would be less inclined to take risks in defence. Him and Clark would be the smartest play. But I am pretty sure it will be Duffy and Clark.
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Originally posted by DalyerRegular DalyerRegular wrote:

Recall for Keogh?


Huddersfield are in awful form ATM and Keogh would be part of the reason for that. Their defense is ramshackle stuff.

I'd have Clark, Long, O'Shea and Duffy ahead of him. Lenihan if we were in a pinch.

We need to get away from this business of calling up players of that age anyways once they've been phased out of the side [whether for on the pitch or off the pitch reasons].

Similarly, bringing Whelan back hurt us in the last campaign, and I think bringing McGeady back in this campaign would just make us even more ponderous and slow in the final third.
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Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by DalyerRegular DalyerRegular wrote:

Recall for Keogh?

Would be my inclination. It is a world cup qualifier away from home. I would be less inclined to take risks in defence. Him and Clark would be the smartest play. But I am pretty sure it will be Duffy and Clark.

The thing is under this new management, what's considered more of a risk?

Duffy has all the experience leadership qualities needed for a game like this, but he is incompatible with how Kenny wants to play. (leaving aside his shocking club form)

Dara O'Shea for example obviously lacks the necessary experience but has the qualities that Kenny would desire in a centre-back.

If O'Shea had Clark next to him I would have no issues as I think Clark is more than experienced.

I think the old way of reasoning under the previous 3 managers made sense when it came to choosing certain players. But we can no longer trot out the old "experience" line if they fundamentally don't suit the system.

All the experience in the world isn't going to make a difference if you struggle to hold onto the ball for more than a few of seconds without losing it or lump it up the field in a panic (usually because another "experienced" midfielder isn't helping you out looking for the ball).

There is a slight chance that we can make Duffy work, but it's only going to happen if we have a sitting midfielder who is constantly going to come looking for the ball and always be an outlet for Duffy and the other central defender.

 If you isolate Duffy and leave him on his own you reap the consequences.

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Surely a back four of the below is our strongest available lineup?

Coleman Long Clarke Stevens 

Midfield should see two holding players for the Serbia game.
I would hope for mccarthy and cullen but probably unlikely 
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I can't see Clark playing the Serbia game.
The way things stand at the moment, It will be Duffy and O'Shea with Stevens at left back.



     
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:


Surely a back four of the below is our strongest available lineup?

Coleman Long Clarke Stevens 

Midfield should see two holding players for the Serbia game.
I would hope for mccarthy and cullen but probably unlikely 

I'd agree about Cullen. but if you're gonna be playing two holding midfielders your advance midfielder would want to be Wes hoolahan in his pomp. 

Whoever is playing the advanced role is gonna have to do an awful lot of creative work and an awful lot of pulling of the strings in midfield. I don't see that one player who has that ability to do it themselves.

I think we just have to go at 1 sitter and 2 in front...

Cullen (sitter)
Knight (box to box energy)
Hourihane (advanced) ... Maybe Browne. But remain unconvinced. Bottom line we need somebody more creative than either of those two. 

It's the same old issue with Ireland, we're just lacking that consistent creative force in the final third. 
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Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:


Surely a back four of the below is our strongest available lineup?

Coleman Long Clarke Stevens 

Midfield should see two holding players for the Serbia game.
I would hope for mccarthy and cullen but probably unlikely 

I would be happy enough with that. I think Since Coleman has been playing further forward for Everton on occasion now and doing really well when I have seen him we should play him there for Ireland. Right midfield is our weakest position and I like the idea of Connolly playing higher wide left on the other side and getting him on the ball as much as possible. We are shocking playing through the middle and I think focusing most of our play out wide and getting it there fast would serve us well with the ball. Hendrick, Hourihane Brady etc are actually ok in the final third in and around the box they just don't know how to get it there Sleepy 
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Originally posted by Banjaxed Banjaxed wrote:

Originally posted by Nialler Nialler wrote:

Originally posted by DalyerRegular DalyerRegular wrote:

Recall for Keogh?

Would be my inclination. It is a world cup qualifier away from home. I would be less inclined to take risks in defence. Him and Clark would be the smartest play. But I am pretty sure it will be Duffy and Clark.

The thing is under this new management, what's considered more of a risk?

Duffy has all the experience leadership qualities needed for a game like this, but he is incompatible with how Kenny wants to play. (leaving aside his shocking club form)

Dara O'Shea for example obviously lacks the necessary experience but has the qualities that Kenny would desire in a centre-back.

If O'Shea had Clark next to him I would have no issues as I think Clark is more than experienced.

I think the old way of reasoning under the previous 3 managers made sense when it came to choosing certain players. But we can no longer trot out the old "experience" line if they fundamentally don't suit the system.

All the experience in the world isn't going to make a difference if you struggle to hold onto the ball for more than a few of seconds without losing it or lump it up the field in a panic (usually because another "experienced" midfielder isn't helping you out looking for the ball).

There is a slight chance that we can make Duffy work, but it's only going to happen if we have a sitting midfielder who is constantly going to come looking for the ball and always be an outlet for Duffy and the other central defender.

 If you isolate Duffy and leave him on his own you reap the consequences.


I think Duffy is a big risk. His head is gone like
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