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Originally posted by Pipkin Pipkin wrote:

Hans is probably just upset he didn’t get the nod for the latest renewal




It's less than 48 hours since you asked about proof of misappropriation of funds in the FAI. If I were you I'd keep the head down for a bit.


Edited by Hans Moleman - 11 hours 21 minutes ago at 1:53am
"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

But where are you getting.the evidence that, that was a choice available to them without any repuurcussions that would.result in a bigger financial loss to the org.

You have consistently misrepresented the views of posters on here.  Not one poster has posted that they are happy with.the pay outs. 

Would I be misrepresenting your views if I said that you believe that the former CEO was involved in nothing illegal? Are you still of this belief?

Is it misrepresenting a posters view, when I say that even in the past 2 days a poster was asking me where the proof of misappropriation of funds in the FAI is?

I dont know is the answer. In addition knowing something and proving it are two differnt things also.  

That's fair enough. For anyone to question me about misrepresenting views etc, and then come out with nothingness like this is a sight to behold.


You consistently misrepresent people's views on a variety of threads and in what appears a condescending manner. You then deny doing so and feign indignance which is totally bizarre, to be frank.

I haven't seen one post on here when anyone has said they're happy with JD getting a pay off yet you continuously peddle that line. 
In fact, everyone is rightly angered by it. 

However, most can see that there is most likely more to it than meets the eye. The vast majority of the pay off is pension payments due under the terms of his contract which was signed off by the previous board. Whether there was other illegal activity or not would not necessarily impact on the terms of that contract. I'd actually be amazed if there were any clauses relating to certain behaviours meaning the contract would be breached given how lax corporate governance clearly was. 

If that's the case, and I don't know if it was, then getting out of that contract would be hugely difficult. The law may well be an ass in circumstances like that but it's still the law, much as it's infuriating. Whether individuals may face charges due to other aspects of of company law wouldn't automatically negate pension entitlements for example. 

All people have done is think that may be the case. None of us are experts but when you have the likes of Stuart Gilhooly and Niamh Brennan who are actually experts suggesting that may be the case then it's worth considering that they may be correct. But no, you knowv best. It's laughable carry on. 

I would hope that a clause has been negotiating in the settlement deal that states there is a comeback in the result of a criminal conviction. Again, whether that would have been possible, I don't know. 



Talk about misrepresenting views. There is this absolute nonsense notion of 6/7 posters on this thread who were in agreement with the FAI settling with John Delaney, that anyone disagreeing with that view is not clued in on the potential ramifications of the FAIs actions if they did not come to an agreement with Delaney regarding pensions, payoff etc. It is the most condescending nonsense, and it basically complete and utter stink. I, and plenty of others who hold the same view about this, are well aware of the legalities around pensions, sacking etc. So give over with the complete and utter condescension. It's f*cking nauseating. Does that misrepresent your comments much?

Funnily enough, you never touched on the 200k John Delaney received in wages while on gardening leave. Full pay, while the FAI was in full knowledge of the financial catastrophe it was facing soon. Delaney should have been sacked at that time, and again I want to make clear I am well and truly aware of the potential ramifications the FAI could face down the line before the condescension begins again. 

650k John Delaney has received since last March/April when he should have been sacked. 650k between wages, pension and a payoff from an association that had to borrow 15 million from UEFA during that timeframe just to keep the lights on (correct me if I'm wrong on the amount there). 650k to a man who has left the FAI essentially bankrupt, 55 million plus in debt (it will be a lot lot more in the 2019 accounts), and Irish football facing a decade or 2 of austerity.

No. No. You guys are right. I've changed my mind. He was worth every penny. The FAI definitely took the correct course of action on this one.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Well said drum.  Nail on the head.  

Are you sure the nail is on the head. Has it been proven at the highest court in the land yet? We don't really know that the nail is definitively on the head otherwise, do we?


Edited by Hans Moleman - 11 hours 18 minutes ago at 1:56am
"I called him an embarrassment to FIFA and to himself," .... He said 'No-one speaks to me like that'.... and I said, "well I do' and that was that."
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Hans read what everyone has said .
 Nobody is happy but the law is the law you have to prove it and until now this hasn't been done .
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

But where are you getting.the evidence that, that was a choice available to them without any repuurcussions that would.result in a bigger financial loss to the org.

You have consistently misrepresented the views of posters on here.  Not one poster has posted that they are happy with.the pay outs. 

Would I be misrepresenting your views if I said that you believe that the former CEO was involved in nothing illegal? Are you still of this belief?

Is it misrepresenting a posters view, when I say that even in the past 2 days a poster was asking me where the proof of misappropriation of funds in the FAI is?

I dont know is the answer. In addition knowing something and proving it are two differnt things also.  

That's fair enough. For anyone to question me about misrepresenting views etc, and then come out with nothingness like this is a sight to behold.


You consistently misrepresent people's views on a variety of threads and in what appears a condescending manner. You then deny doing so and feign indignance which is totally bizarre, to be frank.

I haven't seen one post on here when anyone has said they're happy with JD getting a pay off yet you continuously peddle that line. 
In fact, everyone is rightly angered by it. 

However, most can see that there is most likely more to it than meets the eye. The vast majority of the pay off is pension payments due under the terms of his contract which was signed off by the previous board. Whether there was other illegal activity or not would not necessarily impact on the terms of that contract. I'd actually be amazed if there were any clauses relating to certain behaviours meaning the contract would be breached given how lax corporate governance clearly was. 

If that's the case, and I don't know if it was, then getting out of that contract would be hugely difficult. The law may well be an ass in circumstances like that but it's still the law, much as it's infuriating. Whether individuals may face charges due to other aspects of of company law wouldn't automatically negate pension entitlements for example. 

All people have done is think that may be the case. None of us are experts but when you have the likes of Stuart Gilhooly and Niamh Brennan who are actually experts suggesting that may be the case then it's worth considering that they may be correct. But no, you knowv best. It's laughable carry on. 

I would hope that a clause has been negotiating in the settlement deal that states there is a comeback in the result of a criminal conviction. Again, whether that would have been possible, I don't know. 



Talk about misrepresenting views. There is this absolute nonsense notion of 6/7 posters on this thread who were in agreement with the FAI settling with John Delaney, that anyone disagreeing with that view is not clued in on the potential ramifications of the FAIs actions if they did not come to an agreement with Delaney regarding pensions, payoff etc. It is the most condescending nonsense, and it basically complete and utter stink. I, and plenty of others who hold the same view about this, are well aware of the legalities around pensions, sacking etc. So give over with the complete and utter condescension. It's f*cking nauseating. Does that misrepresent your comments much?

Funnily enough, you never touched on the 200k John Delaney received in wages while on gardening leave. Full pay, while the FAI was in full knowledge of the financial catastrophe it was facing soon. Delaney should have been sacked at that time, and again I want to make clear I am well and truly aware of the potential ramifications the FAI could face down the line before the condescension begins again. 

650k John Delaney has received since last March/April when he should have been sacked. 650k between wages, pension and a payoff from an association that had to borrow 15 million from UEFA during that timeframe just to keep the lights on (correct me if I'm wrong on the amount there). 650k to a man who has left the FAI essentially bankrupt, 55 million plus in debt (it will be a lot lot more in the 2019 accounts), and Irish football facing a decade or 2 of austerity.

No. No. You guys are right. I've changed my mind. He was worth every penny. The FAI definitely took the correct course of action on this one.

Yes, it does but I'd expect nothing less from you. It's par for the course.

I'll await another rambling nonsensical reply where you make the exact same ill-argued point and add absolutely nothing new to the discussion. 
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Meh.
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Hans, you're killing this thread. Give it a break for a while please.
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:


Hans, you're killing this thread. Give it a break for a while please.

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It seems that one in ten comments at present are worthwhile, the rest is bickering.

From what I can ascertain, everyone is disgusted by what Delaney has gotten away with. Everyone is saddened by the state what the FAI finds itself in. Everyone is worried about the consequences for football development, the local leagues and the International teams.

We are strongest united. If people keep bickering then the fans won't be able to impact this positively.

In spite of all the posts, everyone is agreement on the important bits, and a legal point, about which we don't have the full info, is causing disharmony.

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Originally posted by inlikeflynn inlikeflynn wrote:

It seems that one in ten comments at present are worthwhile, the rest is bickering.

From what I can ascertain, everyone is disgusted by what Delaney has gotten away with. Everyone is saddened by the state what the FAI finds itself in. Everyone is worried about the consequences for football development, the local leagues and the International teams.

We are strongest united. If people keep bickering then the fans won't be able to impact this positively.

In spite of all the posts, everyone is agreement on the important bits, and a legal point, about which we don't have the full info, is causing disharmony.

United we stand, divided we fall.
Inlike, I fully agree with your last comment.ClapClap
 
However, I'm not saddened about the state the FAI is in. I'm furious.AngryAngry - this issue has been known about by the powerful in Ireland since 2013, when you look at the threads on here. It's taken six years to get SOME of the information out.
 
I'm saddened that possibly 200 good people will possibly lose their jobs in the near future.CryCry
 
I'm furious that those who were appointed to positions of authority in the FAI allowed this to happen.AngryAngry
 
This debacle, as I see it, is not simply about one man.
 
There are a number of people who have serious serious questions to answer and hopefully:
1. the questions will be asked
2. the investigations from CAB, Gardaí, etc will shed light on who knew what and who agreed to pay what to whom.
 
the FAI is a perfect example of what is wrong with Ireland. The powerful do as they please and the rest of us can do one.
 
Question inlike - to WHAT legal point do you refer?
 
PS. We are FAR from the bottom of this. Whoever said this are wrong. We are still freefalling and have a fair bit to go IMO.
 
 
 
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the 2019 accounts have yet to be done and the debt will soar again possibly north of €70m and god knows what will come forward from left field.
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Originally posted by greengooner greengooner wrote:

Question inlike - to WHAT legal point do you refer?
 

Whether or not it could have cost more had Delaney had not been paid severance and his wages this year.

It is a point of contention amongst those here, but it seems only to cause division and nobody is able to provide an answer.

I wish people would just give it up.

Originally posted by greengooner greengooner wrote:

 this issue has been known about by the powerful in Ireland since 2013

Yep, powerful and not so powerful, it happened in slow motion and was clear for all to see. Through reading the YBIG forums, it is no surprise at all. 

From Delaney's big salary, lack of investment in the Irish game. I think the greatest warning sign on here was his ability to crush dissent. Whether it was getting foreign FAs to confiscate flags and banners, control question at AGMs, and the debacle of when a false protest was created on here and he reacted to it, it was clear that Delaney was operating a private police force, in the guise of FAI security, and the state was happy for him to do so. 

A complete and utter dictator for the world to see and the government sat quietly so, to me, Shane Ross' actions now are too little too late.


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