James McClean

Garak wrote: Green wasn't thrown in at the deep end really, I remember him playing in the 2010 friendly at the RDS, Algeria I think. Edit: Yeah Algeria, he scored in that game!

green was at least 26 aswell

Green Devil wrote: GoneToShowgies wrote: Even if he's not going to the Europeans, friendlys are a prime chance for him to be blooded in without to do well when the real pressure is on. The next time he gets a call up he might have to play and be thrown in the deep end. Makes no sense to me. In fairness that's not Trapattoni's style at all , he wouldn't throw an inexperienced player like McClean in the deep end.

Paul Green?

Even if he's not going to the Europeans, friendlys are a prime chance for him to be blooded in without to do well when the real pressure is on. The next time he gets a call up he might have to play and be thrown in the deep end. Makes no sense to me.

jackshat wrote: ShamtheRam wrote: I agree with John Giles What did he actually say?

ShamtheRam wrote: I agree with John Giles

Drumcondra 69er wrote: irish_major wrote: Drumcondra 69er wrote: It's funny the way the game has changed. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see McClean in the squad, I watched him the last few years in the LOI and he always stood out for me, more so than the likes of Doyle, Long, Ward, etc ever did (Fahey always looked class to me despite playing fora rival, moreso than the others).  But I can remember when it took more than under a dozen games to be a shoo in for an international squad.  I remember Tommy Gaynor coming through the ranks at Forest and running amok, banging in goals from midfield, winning the League Cup in 89 and looking like the next big thing in a huge way.  Yet there was no clamour to put him in the squad, under Jack the feeling was that if you did it for a couple of seasons consistently then you deserve your call up.  Tommy Gaynor played around 50 odd games for Forest and faded, I remember another Irish player coming through at Forest about a year later and wondering if he'd be as good as Gaynor had been.  Took him a while to make the squad and all. It's impossible to judge a player with as little experience as McClean has.  I'd have him in the squad myself but I see where Trap is coming from, he's old school.  Have to say, a lot of posters here don't seem to understand how football works or how old school football worked, it's all if a player has a decent couple of games then pick him as ASAP.  It don't work like that. Personally I think McCkean is a serious talent but I base that on having seen him play for Derry on numerous occasions.  Most of those getting thick because he's not been picked have probably never seen him play in the flesh.... Someone get this man a reward! What the hell has that got to do with anything? What does watching an entire game have to do with making an opion on a player rather than watching MOTD or the goals on Sky Sports News?

irish_major wrote: colemanY2K wrote: Drumcondra 69er wrote: irish_major wrote: Drumcondra 69er wrote: It's funny the way the game has changed. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see McClean in the squad, I watched him the last few years in the LOI and he always stood out for me, more so than the likes of Doyle, Long, Ward, etc ever did (Fahey always looked class to me despite playing fora rival, moreso than the others).  But I can remember when it took more than under a dozen games to be a shoo in for an international squad.  I remember Tommy Gaynor coming through the ranks at Forest and running amok, banging in goals from midfield, winning the League Cup in 89 and looking like the next big thing in a huge way.  Yet there was no clamour to put him in the squad, under Jack the feeling was that if you did it for a couple of seasons consistently then you deserve your call up.  Tommy Gaynor played around 50 odd games for Forest and faded, I remember another Irish player coming through at Forest about a year later and wondering if he'd be as good as Gaynor had been.  Took him a while to make the squad and all. It's impossible to judge a player with as little experience as McClean has.  I'd have him in the squad myself but I see where Trap is coming from, he's old school.  Have to say, a lot of posters here don't seem to understand how football works or how old school football worked, it's all if a player has a decent couple of games then pick him as ASAP.  It don't work like that. Personally I think McCkean is a serious talent but I base that on having seen him play for Derry on numerous occasions.  Most of those getting thick because he's not been picked have probably never seen him play in the flesh.... Someone get this man a reward! What the hell has that got to do with anything? What does watching an entire game have to do with making an opion on a player rather than watching MOTD or the goals on Sky Sports News? Some people are so good at being armchair supporters that all they need to do to decide whether a player is good enough is to watch the highlights on tv. Only the regular supporters at the SOL really know how much of an impact this lad is having in a match. If someone says just look at the number of goals he scored then they are a gobsh*te...Aaron Ramsey scores more than his fair share of goals for Arsenal but his performances overall are woeful...and I've see him play in the flesh regularly!!!  who needs to go to a game to evaluate a player when you have SSN eh? I never said anything about how many goals he scored, I think the boy is quality. I havent seen him in the flesh but watched the last 4 or 5 sunderland games in full, was especially impressed with his workrate. Hes gonna be quality no doubt but to say you cant judge him without having been a die hard derry fan following them home and away is sh*te

Watching a full game on tv only gives you an indication of how good a player is. You have no idea of the players movement when they're not in shot and thats most of the time.

I'm not saying he's not good enough and the important thing you said there was "gonna" be quality. "Gonna" be quality for 2014 qualifying hopefully! He just has to perform at the top level for a lot longer and PROVE that he deserves a call up when the next qualifiers come around at the end of the year. He's only played 9 matches in the premier league ffs. Raw talent or not if Trap picked him and he was a flop in Poland then everyone would take Trap to the cleaners and rightly so...and imagine how bitter the player who lost his place to McLean would be after giving his all in qualifying only to lose hiis place to a youngster with a handful of senior games played.

I've seen him play in the flesh a few times. I've seen him destroy teams. He's a raw talent.

Drumcondra 69er wrote: irish_major wrote: Drumcondra 69er wrote: It's funny the way the game has changed. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see McClean in the squad, I watched him the last few years in the LOI and he always stood out for me, more so than the likes of Doyle, Long, Ward, etc ever did (Fahey always looked class to me despite playing fora rival, moreso than the others).  But I can remember when it took more than under a dozen games to be a shoo in for an international squad.  I remember Tommy Gaynor coming through the ranks at Forest and running amok, banging in goals from midfield, winning the League Cup in 89 and looking like the next big thing in a huge way.  Yet there was no clamour to put him in the squad, under Jack the feeling was that if you did it for a couple of seasons consistently then you deserve your call up.  Tommy Gaynor played around 50 odd games for Forest and faded, I remember another Irish player coming through at Forest about a year later and wondering if he'd be as good as Gaynor had been.  Took him a while to make the squad and all. It's impossible to judge a player with as little experience as McClean has.  I'd have him in the squad myself but I see where Trap is coming from, he's old school.  Have to say, a lot of posters here don't seem to understand how football works or how old school football worked, it's all if a player has a decent couple of games then pick him as ASAP.  It don't work like that. Personally I think McCkean is a serious talent but I base that on having seen him play for Derry on numerous occasions.  Most of those getting thick because he's not been picked have probably never seen him play in the flesh.... Someone get this man a reward! What the hell has that got to do with anything? What does watching an entire game have to do with making an opion on a player rather than watching MOTD or the goals on Sky Sports News?

Some people are so good at being armchair supporters that all they need to do to decide whether a player is good enough is to watch the highlights on tv.

Only the regular supporters at the SOL really know how much of an impact this lad is having in a match. If someone says just look at the number of goals he scored then they are a gobsh*te...Aaron Ramsey scores more than his fair share of goals for Arsenal but his performances overall are woeful...and I've see him play in the flesh regularly!!! 

who needs to go to a game to evaluate a player when you have SSN eh?


Edited by colemanY2K - 12 Feb 2012 at 12:31am