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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Yeah, McGoldrick tried to link up with Stevens, in fairness to Stevens he was only just away from playing him in and McGoldrick is our one player with a bit of composure. Stevens himself picked out an excellent ball for the goal. We didn’t need them to become any better players, but just to try and make one chance instead of hoping for a chance.
 
I do agree with you but most of the time when a team scores in the last few minutes and need one more to qualify whether it be the Cup or Champions League or Internationals play tends to become frenetic, the crowd usually is boisterous and vocal and things become disjointed and hopeful. We did attempt with Stevens and McGoldrick to create that one chance and we were a baw hair away from McGoldrick being one on one. Overall I was happy with the performance. We passed it well enough. We pressed the game well. We lack quality but no one can ever question those players commitment. They left everything out there. It just wasn't our night in the end. One defeat in qualifying is nothing to be ashamed of either and although we are draw specialists we are still very difficult to beat which means we will always have a chance in the play offs.
I disagree about it becoming frenetic, you can keep the tempo up and not just play hopeful football. I think that is one of the biggest differences between ourselves and teams at the next level. The ability for the unit as a whole to try and use the time well and search for one good opening as opposed to lashing it into the sky and hoping it falls for you. You have far more chance of it being your night if you are a bit more methodical about it.
If Denmark needed a goal last night, I would be surprised if they started pumping it at Kjaer for the last five minutes.
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Originally posted by RogerMilla RogerMilla wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

We started the game with 4 central midfielders and 1 no 10 in D McG, not once did we have a true no 9 on the pitch. Shocking when you realise we had a free shot at qualification.


we play not to lose games. we don't go out with a mindset were going to win this game. basically it has been that way since Trap. we need to change this mindset, hopefully Kenny can do that. when was the last time we went 2-0 up in a game against any decent team.


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We are like a dog chasing a ball who doesn't know what to do when we catch it. We played well last night. The most disheartening thing about the campaign is that I would accept our position if i felt we had played to our absolute limit. Over the past few years, we have shown glimpses of a level we can find that puts these 'superior teams' on the back foot. We haven't been able to show that consistently due to negativity, conservatism and so many bad habits taught to this team.

On several occasions last night, it was the natural instinct of our wide players to check back rather than take a man on, even in 1v1 situations. When we attacked, we were once again ragged and didn't know what to do. We were probably the better side for large parts of the game but our pressure is ineffective. 

Stephen Kenny will be the first manager in years upon years who will take control of the team and see potential rather than limitations. The changes begin in the mindset of the team and the standards we must set for ourselves, because that is currently what is holding us back as much as any technical deficiency.
 
The thought of Aaron Connolly and Troy Parrot breaking through in the next few years with Kenny at the helm is pretty exciting.
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McGoldrick has been good in the campaign except that he is our centre forward yet spends far too much time outside the opponents penalty area at vital times in games. Much more likely to get a goal like he did against the Swiss if he keeps his discipline and stays central.
 
Last night was a massive miss especially in the first half. They were there for the taking. The narrative before the game was generally around keeping it tight for the hour/70th minute and then try to win late on. The problem with that is the Danes were prepared for and expected this, and raised their game for the only time in the match from about the hour mark to the 80th minute. The winning of the game was in the first half and we didnt go after them then. They were all over the place with 2 of their key players going off. It was palpable.
 
As regards the  play-offs, does anyone know if the ticket allocations will be like a normal away fixture ?
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Yeah, McGoldrick tried to link up with Stevens, in fairness to Stevens he was only just away from playing him in and McGoldrick is our one player with a bit of composure. Stevens himself picked out an excellent ball for the goal. We didn’t need them to become any better players, but just to try and make one chance instead of hoping for a chance.
 
I do agree with you but most of the time when a team scores in the last few minutes and need one more to qualify whether it be the Cup or Champions League or Internationals play tends to become frenetic, the crowd usually is boisterous and vocal and things become disjointed and hopeful. We did attempt with Stevens and McGoldrick to create that one chance and we were a baw hair away from McGoldrick being one on one. Overall I was happy with the performance. We passed it well enough. We pressed the game well. We lack quality but no one can ever question those players commitment. They left everything out there. It just wasn't our night in the end. One defeat in qualifying is nothing to be ashamed of either and although we are draw specialists we are still very difficult to beat which means we will always have a chance in the play offs.
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

We started the game with 4 central midfielders and 1 no 10 in D McG, not once did we have a true no 9 on the pitch. Shocking when you realise we had a free shot at qualification.

we play not to lose games. we don't go out with a mindset were going to win this game. basically it has been that way since Trap. we need to change this mindset, hopefully Kenny can do that. when was the last time we went 2-0 up in a game against any decent team.

yes when steven kenny is here he'll consume the english with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightening from his arse  .
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We are like a dog chasing a ball who doesn't know what to do when we catch it. We played well last night. The most disheartening thing about the campaign is that I would accept our position if i felt we had played to our absolute limit. Over the past few years, we have shown glimpses of a level we can find that puts these 'superior teams' on the back foot. We haven't been able to show that consistently due to negativity, conservatism and so many bad habits taught to this team.

On several occasions last night, it was the natural instinct of our wide players to check back rather than take a man on, even in 1v1 situations. When we attacked, we were once again ragged and didn't know what to do. We were probably the better side for large parts of the game but our pressure is ineffective. 

Stephen Kenny will be the first manager in years upon years who will take control of the team and see potential rather than limitations. The changes begin in the mindset of the team and the standards we must set for ourselves, because that is currently what is holding us back as much as any technical deficiency.
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McGoldrick has been good in the campaign except that he is our centre forward yet spends far too much time outside the opponents penalty area at vital times in games. Much more likely to get a goal like he did against the Swiss if he keeps his discipline and stays central.
 
Last night was a massive miss especially in the first half. They were there for the taking. The narrative before the game was generally around keeping it tight for the hour/70th minute and then try to win late on. The problem with that is the Danes were prepared for and expected this, and raised their game for the only time in the match from about the hour mark to the 80th minute. The winning of the game was in the first half and we didnt go after them then. They were all over the place with 2 of their key players going off. It was palpable.
 
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There was a half chance just before the Danish goal when they played a one-two around Duffy and nearly got in. Should have been a warning sign. Overall though we had more chances and looked more threatening than them
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Real sickener totally dominated the second half, just that one mistake when Doherty switched off.

One that got away...roll on the play offs.

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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Yeah, McGoldrick tried to link up with Stevens, in fairness to Stevens he was only just away from playing him in and McGoldrick is our one player with a bit of composure. Stevens himself picked out an excellent ball for the goal. We didn’t need them to become any better players, but just to try and make one chance instead of hoping for a chance.
 
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Originally posted by JoxerDaly JoxerDaly wrote:

We started the game with 4 central midfielders and 1 no 10 in D McG, not once did we have a true no 9 on the pitch. Shocking when you realise we had a free shot at qualification.

we play not to lose games. we don't go out with a mindset were going to win this game. basically it has been that way since Trap. we need to change this mindset, hopefully Kenny can do that. when was the last time we went 2-0 up in a game against any decent team.
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Yeah, McGoldrick tried to link up with Stevens, in fairness to Stevens he was only just away from playing him in and McGoldrick is our one player with a bit of composure. Stevens himself picked out an excellent ball for the goal. We didn’t need them to become any better players, but just to try and make one chance instead of hoping for a chance.
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We started the game with 4 central midfielders and 1 no 10 in D McG, not once did we have a true no 9 on the pitch. Shocking when you realise we had a free shot at qualification.

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Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

A lot of talk of how great we were, how amazing the players were and that it was our best performance.

Denmark players by there own admission said they were poor  so can someone explain to me why we didn't win? 


We switched off and conceded a fairly cheap goal. The Danes had 2 shots on target. Why didn't we win? Lack of goalscorers. We know we have to keep clean sheets to have any real chance as scoring two is often beyond us against any team of decent defensive quality.
More than just that, I’m afraid. There was a distinct lack of calm heads and composure after we scored. For all the improvements and the fact we actually gave it a go, the Danes never looked like going out. Nobody got on the ball at1-1 and tried to create something, instead they tried to force something and then we talk about luck! 



That is a fair point but with 4 minutes to go getting it back to 1-1 and with our lack of guile it was always going to become frentic. Conceding the cheap goal killed us. It was a preventable one and although Braithwaite made a good run and took it well it was so cheap to give away at that stage. I can't help feel that Rice and Grealish would have made a great difference to our team. We need players similar to break through. I would say to that there was one moment where Stevens I think it was the 90th minute tried to play in McGoldrick but overhit it. But apart from that things were fairly aimless 
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We didn't have a proper go until we went behind.

And it stems from this attitude of being in it at 70 mins and trying to nick one. We played three 1-1 games v Swiss and Denmark x2 with this approach and in every one we conceded at the same time, came out of our shell, equalised at the same time.

I didn't agree with that attitude last night but fair enough, you don't want your chances to be over within 15 minutes. However once it became obvious just how poor Denmark were on the night, and it was obvious early, the players should have been instructed to push on. We weren't taking enough risks in a game we had to win and paid for it.

The final 10 minutes only gloss over the the fact that we played a Denmark team who were as bad as I have ever seen them, they could barely complete a pass at times, and we let them off the hook because we didn't have a proper go.
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Great performance but we need a creative midfielder who can pick a pass. Poor crosses from really good positions. Connolly for MClean and Maguire/Byrne for Hendrick would make a difference. 

Missed the Danish Anthem and most of ours because of the crazy stewarding.  As for the morons who threw things and allowed Schmeichel to waste a few more seconds, you have to wonder what, if anything, goes on in their heads. 
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Originally posted by Stickittotheman Stickittotheman wrote:

Originally posted by Left foot Left foot wrote:

A lot of talk of how great we were, how amazing the players were and that it was our best performance.

Denmark players by there own admission said they were poor  so can someone explain to me why we didn't win? 


We switched off and conceded a fairly cheap goal. The Danes had 2 shots on target. Why didn't we win? Lack of goalscorers. We know we have to keep clean sheets to have any real chance as scoring two is often beyond us against any team of decent defensive quality.
More than just that, I’m afraid. There was a distinct lack of calm heads and composure after we scored. For all the improvements and the fact we actually gave it a go, the Danes never looked like going out. Nobody got on the ball at1-1 and tried to create something, instead they tried to force something and then we talk about luck! 
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