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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Some man for hyperbole, that's horrific but the county has not 'gone to sh*t', I suggest you look at other countries, Brazil, Lebanon, Zimbabwe, certain US states, Egypt,, Libya, Hong Kong etc etc for what 'going to sh*t' actually looks like. 
Well in the case of Hong Kong it’s only because of China interfering with its affairs.

China interfering in its own affairs is mad stuff alright  LOL


Way off the mark there Muff, it's off topic for this thread so won't go into detail but I suggest you do some reading

For someone who is part Hong Kong-er and has family there, it's horrific and soul destroying to see what's happened there. 

I know you have family there. I remember you mentioning it before on here when discussing China on a different thread a while back. I was only pointing out the fact no matter how reprehensible China's actions are is that it is a Chinese territory and by extension a Chinese affair. The autonomy of Hong Kong is a Chinese issue in the same way the autonomy of Catalonia would be a Spanish issue. 
Human rights affect everybody, m8

The Chinese regime is barbaric, look at what they're doing to the Uighurs

Hang on a second here. 

I wasn't even taking a position on this and If I was it certainly wouldn't be in support of an authoritarian state whose head declares himself 'President for Life'. I'm pointing out which should be an uncontroversial fact that Hong Kong is a part of China and it is a Chinese issue/affair. No decent person with any sense of democratic values would support what the Chinese state is perpetrating not only to Hong Kong but on it's own people. Hong Kong is a Chinese territory so an event like the protests obviously involves them. 
But to state in a reductionist fashion that "it's a Chinese internal affair" is basically carte blanche for grotesque human rights abuse -Hang on. I only made the initial point that Hong Kong is a Chinese affair in that it involves them given it belongs to China. I never stated "internal" so don't quote me stating that.There's a difference. I view the Hong Kong issue as part of China's affairs just as Catalonia is part of Spain's affairs and a Palestinian state being a part of Israeli affairs. These are the facts on the ground.  

It's also not true as China signed an international treaty as regards Hong Kong and is flagrantly breaching it - What's not true? I'm not even disputing that China has breached international treaties on Hong Kong's position. 

I'm increasingly coming to the view that serious international pressure and if if necessary, severe economic sanctions should be brought to bear on China, China is operating racist gulags and there is a real threat of a genocide there Again no argument from me there

That's why it's essential that fascist scumbag is put out in America, because they and the EU would have to lead it Dare I say it, that is an American affair in getting that scumbag out of office.
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Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Some man for hyperbole, that's horrific but the county has not 'gone to sh*t', I suggest you look at other countries, Brazil, Lebanon, Zimbabwe, certain US states, Egypt,, Libya, Hong Kong etc etc for what 'going to sh*t' actually looks like. 
Well in the case of Hong Kong it’s only because of China interfering with its affairs.

China interfering in its own affairs is mad stuff alright  LOL


Way off the mark there Muff, it's off topic for this thread so won't go into detail but I suggest you do some reading

For someone who is part Hong Kong-er and has family there, it's horrific and soul destroying to see what's happened there. 

I know you have family there. I remember you mentioning it before on here when discussing China on a different thread a while back. I was only pointing out the fact no matter how reprehensible China's actions are is that it is a Chinese territory and by extension a Chinese affair. The autonomy of Hong Kong is a Chinese issue in the same way the autonomy of Catalonia would be a Spanish issue. 

Not the same, be closer to if the London government decided they'd had enough of the Scottish government, dissolved the government there and every existing agreement, then installed a Scottish Govt with unionists only and then arrested anyone who protested that and SNP supporters while they were at it. 

Again I'm not disputing China's actions or conduct here in your hypothetical example. I don't think your analogy is that accurate though as there wasn't an Act of Union between China and Hong Kong which formed a bigger state in the first place. It's a different situation tbh.

Leaving that aside, I pointed out to Trigbhoy that Hong Kong is a part of the Chinese affairs of state seeing as it is a part of the territory of China. He was making out that Hong Kong had nothing to do with China. Obviously most people from democratic countries would make the argument that pro-democratic Hong Kong and it's citizens should have nothing to do with an authoritarian state but that's not the reality on the ground and it belongs to that state.   


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Yet another scandal with the vote for junior minister pay rises. Easiest opposition in a long time.
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Some man for hyperbole, that's horrific but the county has not 'gone to sh*t', I suggest you look at other countries, Brazil, Lebanon, Zimbabwe, certain US states, Egypt,, Libya, Hong Kong etc etc for what 'going to sh*t' actually looks like. 
Well in the case of Hong Kong it’s only because of China interfering with its affairs.

China interfering in its own affairs is mad stuff alright  LOL

You look pretty stupid now. Maybe go off and educate yourself.

What country does Hong Kong belong to genius? 
It took you so long to come back maybe you did go off and educate yourself. Although you still don’t seem to have a clue at least your starting to contribute a bit more now than just smiley faces.

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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Some man for hyperbole, that's horrific but the county has not 'gone to sh*t', I suggest you look at other countries, Brazil, Lebanon, Zimbabwe, certain US states, Egypt,, Libya, Hong Kong etc etc for what 'going to sh*t' actually looks like. 
Well in the case of Hong Kong it’s only because of China interfering with its affairs.

China interfering in its own affairs is mad stuff alright  LOL

You look pretty stupid now. Maybe go off and educate yourself.

What country does Hong Kong belong to genius? 
It took you so long to come back maybe you did go off and educate yourself. Although you still don’t seem to have a clue at least your starting to contribute a bit more now than just smiley faces.

I didn't see the post until yesterday Trig mo chara. Smile

Whether we like it or not China is part of Hong Kong's affairs and vice versa. There's not much we can do about that and any resolution to this crisis will unfortunately have to involve the perpetrator that being the Chinese state.  
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Some man for hyperbole, that's horrific but the county has not 'gone to sh*t', I suggest you look at other countries, Brazil, Lebanon, Zimbabwe, certain US states, Egypt,, Libya, Hong Kong etc etc for what 'going to sh*t' actually looks like. 
Well in the case of Hong Kong it’s only because of China interfering with its affairs.

China interfering in its own affairs is mad stuff alright  LOL

You look pretty stupid now. Maybe go off and educate yourself.

What country does Hong Kong belong to genius? 
It took you so long to come back maybe you did go off and educate yourself. Although you still don’t seem to have a clue at least your starting to contribute a bit more now than just smiley faces.

I didn't see the post until yesterday Trig mo chara. Smile

Whether we like it or not China is part of Hong Kong's affairs and vice versa. There's not much we can do about that and any resolution to this crisis will unfortunately have to involve the perpetrator that being the Chinese state.  
China should be staying out of Hong Kong affairs until 2047. As Nvidic has previously said what’s happening is soul destroying and it’s very hard for some of us who hold Hong Kong very close to our hearts.

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Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

Originally posted by Trigboy 10 Trigboy 10 wrote:

Originally posted by nvidic nvidic wrote:

Some man for hyperbole, that's horrific but the county has not 'gone to sh*t', I suggest you look at other countries, Brazil, Lebanon, Zimbabwe, certain US states, Egypt,, Libya, Hong Kong etc etc for what 'going to sh*t' actually looks like. 
Well in the case of Hong Kong it’s only because of China interfering with its affairs.

China interfering in its own affairs is mad stuff alright  LOL

You look pretty stupid now. Maybe go off and educate yourself.

What country does Hong Kong belong to genius? 
It took you so long to come back maybe you did go off and educate yourself. Although you still don’t seem to have a clue at least your starting to contribute a bit more now than just smiley faces.

I didn't see the post until yesterday Trig mo chara. Smile

Whether we like it or not China is part of Hong Kong's affairs and vice versa. There's not much we can do about that and any resolution to this crisis will unfortunately have to involve the perpetrator that being the Chinese state.  
China should be staying out of Hong Kong affairs until 2047. As Nvidic has previously said what’s happening is soul destroying and it’s very hard for some of us who hold Hong Kong very close to our hearts.

When it was handed back over to an authoritarian state, something like this would probably be inevitable and China is in a strong enough position as a major global superpower to suffer any blow back from it. They should be treating their own territory and citizens better but it is what it is. 
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varadkar really really really hates people who don’t have a silver spoon stuck up their arse. Empathy free empty head.
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Bit of a debacle in the Dail the other night about speaking time. The micro-parties perhaps seeing the practical difficulties of so many splits.

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