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    Posted: 13 Jan 2020 at 4:55pm
A general election is impending. Four years of confidence and supply appears to be coming to an end.

Will FF have sufficient numbers to take over after 9 years effectively in opposition.

Will a coalition be formed with SF?

Will Labour lose more seats?


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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

A general election is impending. Four years of confidence and supply appears to be coming to an end.
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FF and FG confirming they won't form a coalition with SF anyway.

Only in Ireland would it's people vote for a party that has put generations upon generations in debt.

A party that should have been disbanded and never formed again.



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Get the sense that FF will get more seats than FG. Can see a lot of FF's who lent their vote to FG returning to the fold.
The big question is do FG have it in them to play a supporting role to FF in any new supply and confidence agreement.
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I would be very surprised if Leo isn’t the next Taoiseach, although the betting market doesn’t support me in this. 
Martin currently 4/6 fav with Leo 11/10

There won’t be a clear winning party anyway so it all depends on who the smaller parties will do business with, and there’s always a smaller party ready to sell their soul to get in 
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It’s a wonderful choice to have though, two humble and diligent men who only want what’s best for themselves.
Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands.
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In some ways, I'm glad I'm not living at home at the moment and having to try and make a choice on who to vote for.
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I would much rather the choice we have here in Ireland than in the UK or the States or France.  In addition our PR system is far better.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

I would much rather the choice we have here in Ireland than in the UK or the States or France.  In addition our PR system is far better.
I would spoil my vote if I was at home. There is parties here and in France I could vote for with a clear conscience.
Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands.
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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Get the sense that FF will get more seats than FG. Can see a lot of FF's who lent their vote to FG returning to the fold.
The big question is do FG have it in them to play a supporting role to FF in any new supply and confidence agreement.

I think that will be evaluated and that annoying phrase “the National Interest” will be invoked. Either to explain the reasoning for staying together or splitting up.

It suited FF and FG last time. It kept Kenny as Taoiseach and it out FF back in a position of influence within a single electoral cycle. This time FF stand to gain more seats and FG lose Government. I’m not sure FG will play the “national interest” card to prop up FF, especially if the election is dirty.

I’m not sure a coalition is possible simply as there is no interest. Back in the day the centre left Labour Party and centre right PDs made ideal coalition partners. But the latter doesn’t exist and the former remains so badly burnt that they won’t do it again. Ditto the Greens who were chastened by the experience. Sinn Fein will undoubtedly want bigger numbers and influence before they do it. And the freak show parties are just perma opposition who won’t discuss it. That leaves the Independent Alliance and the SDs and FG/FF sympathetic TDS to do the business.


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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

I would much rather the choice we have here in Ireland than in the UK or the States or France.  In addition our PR system is far better.

I would fully agree PR being far better. 


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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

I would much rather the choice we have here in Ireland than in the UK or the States or France.  In addition our PR system is far better.

I would fully agree PR being far better. 

You can be a member of a small party which has a Parliamentary Party and a councillors forum. You can hamstring major parties via coalition. You can influence the debate as a legitimate player in the debate. 

The Irish system, while locked to an extent is not closed off like it is in the UK.
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Loads of lies to be told by all parties.
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 I don't like any of them but I hope FF/FG lose votes to Labour, greens, sinn fein and independents. 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

I would much rather the choice we have here in Ireland than in the UK or the States or France.  In addition our PR system is far better.
I would spoil my vote if I was at home. There is parties here and in France I could vote for with a clear conscience.

PM why couldn’t you vote for the Socialist Party, the Workers Party, People Before Profit, Solidarity, Rise it some of the left wing Independents.  
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Location will be important for the Greens. I think they’ll make gains in Dublin, and maybe in one or two constituencies, but it will be a hard see outside the usual spots. However, they’ll at least double their numbers bringing them back to 2007 levels.
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

I would much rather the choice we have here in Ireland than in the UK or the States or France.  In addition our PR system is far better.
I would spoil my vote if I was at home. There is parties here and in France I could vote for with a clear conscience.

PM why couldn’t you vote for the Socialist Party, the Workers Party, People Before Profit, Solidarity, Rise it some of the left wing Independents.  

Don't think any of them would be left wing enough for him!!
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Get the sense that FF will get more seats than FG. Can see a lot of FF's who lent their vote to FG returning to the fold.
The big question is do FG have it in them to play a supporting role to FF in any new supply and confidence agreement.

I think that will be evaluated and that annoying phrase “the National Interest” will be invoked. Either to explain the reasoning for staying together or splitting up.

It suited FF and FG last time. It kept Kenny as Taoiseach and it out FF back in a position of influence within a single electoral cycle. This time FF stand to gain more seats and FG lose Government. I’m not sure FG will play the “national interest” card to prop up FF, especially if the election is dirty.

I’m not sure a coalition is possible simply as there is no interest. Back in the day the centre left Labour Party and centre right PDs made ideal coalition partners. But the latter doesn’t exist and the former remains so badly burnt that they won’t do it again. Ditto the Greens who were chastened by the experience. Sinn Fein will undoubtedly want bigger numbers and influence before they do it. And the freak show parties are just perma opposition who won’t discuss it. That leaves the Independent Alliance and the SDs and FG/FF sympathetic TDS to do the business.


Rubbish the only reason there was no coalition the last time and again may not be this time is the numbers and the FF AND FG do not want to go in with sin Fein or with each other’s.  

If the numbers allow it the larger party of FG and FF will lead a coalition with a mix of greens labour and social Democrats and or independents. 
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