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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pre Madonna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:



It's only a temporary measure anyways. 

Honestly, I would say that's the point.

Its a fundamental change to a key rule, which will allow bigger clubs empty their bench, while smaller clubs, may, in a material sense, only have two or three options from the bench, while the rest are PL2 players. It alters the course of a game, in a different level to what was applied throughout the season.

Also, why 5? Why not 4? Or 7. How is it judged that this will give appropriate respite? 

If the "smaller clubs" (I'm surprised you can say that with a straight face considering EPL relegation fodder can often outbid former powerhouses on the continent...) are that hard up for players, it's likely their first 11 would be losing anyway regardless of how many subs are allowed.

And if it was such an issue, why are most of these smaller clubs voting for this temporary rule change? 
I would be curious about this too, but I guess we are unlikely to know.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:


And if it was such an issue, why are most of these smaller clubs voting for this temporary rule change? 

Clubs can vote how they want. I still have an opinion on this, especially as I am still reticent to accept that the league should be back this quickly.
So, if I understand correctly, you think this is a problem for small teams and they disagree - Is that the crux of it here? 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:



It's only a temporary measure anyways. 

Honestly, I would say that's the point.

Its a fundamental change to a key rule, which will allow bigger clubs empty their bench, while smaller clubs, may, in a material sense, only have two or three options from the bench, while the rest are PL2 players. It alters the course of a game, in a different level to what was applied throughout the season.

Also, why 5? Why not 4? Or 7. How is it judged that this will give appropriate respite? 

If the "smaller clubs" (I'm surprised you can say that with a straight face considering EPL relegation fodder can often outbid former powerhouses on the continent...) are that hard up for players, it's likely their first 11 would be losing anyway regardless of how many subs are allowed.

And if it was such an issue, why are most of these smaller clubs voting for this temporary rule change? 
I would be curious about this too, but I guess we are unlikely to know.

No breakdown of how many clubs voted against this in the PL statement unfortunately.

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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

So, if I understand correctly, you think this is a problem for small teams and they disagree - Is that the crux of it here? 

Like I said, I can disagree with them. I don't necessarily feel that I should take a great deal of notice of how football administers itself, in the current climate.
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Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:



It's only a temporary measure anyways. 

Honestly, I would say that's the point.

Its a fundamental change to a key rule, which will allow bigger clubs empty their bench, while smaller clubs, may, in a material sense, only have two or three options from the bench, while the rest are PL2 players. It alters the course of a game, in a different level to what was applied throughout the season.

Also, why 5? Why not 4? Or 7. How is it judged that this will give appropriate respite? 

If the "smaller clubs" (I'm surprised you can say that with a straight face considering EPL relegation fodder can often outbid former powerhouses on the continent...) are that hard up for players, it's likely their first 11 would be losing anyway regardless of how many subs are allowed.

And if it was such an issue, why are most of these smaller clubs voting for this temporary rule change? 
I would be curious about this too, but I guess we are unlikely to know.

No breakdown of how many clubs voted against this in the PL statement unfortunately.

That would interest me less than why they voted for it. Perhaps it is altruistic.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:


And if it was such an issue, why are most of these smaller clubs voting for this temporary rule change? 

Clubs can vote how they want. I still have an opinion on this, especially as I am still reticent to accept that the league should be back this quickly.

Surely the "problem" you're referencing runs far deeper than whether teams can use 3 or 5 subs? You're speaking about the extreme financial differences between sides, which manifests itself in far more important and impactful ways than how many subs you can use...
We're decent enough..
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I wouldn't have thought that many clubs use their 3 subs every game as it is.

Remember when Mick McCarthy made 12 substitutions in a friendly?
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From a quick glance at the recent Bundesliga games pretty much all teams used 5 subs
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Has Conor Noss featured yet ?
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Has Conor Noss featured yet ?

No. Hasn't even made the bench since the restart. 
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