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Roy Keane By Appointment to His Majesty The King Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Status: Online Points: 10716 |
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Perhaps this in one for the US thread or the Gaza thread?
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To state what you have just stated clearly acknowledges there was atleast some meddling by thr US This makes it pivotal as to why I object to the US being given a free pass |
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It's the same US. It shows the extent of their hypocrisy and aims to control
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Het-field
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No, youre using the tactic of extrapolating something I didn’t say, from something I did. Like I have said, repeatedly, it had negligible-no influence on how Russia has behaved.
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Het-field
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If that’s the case then this is certainly a point for one of the other threads. I assume you accept that Russia’s behaviour is the primary reason for the invasion? And the prior invasion in 2014?
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grand we will beg to.differ how the mortal enemy of Russia, with motivation to ruin Russia, and on the ground in ukranian affairs for the last 20 years and before had zero impact on the political course of thebukraine
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Het-field
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Ah so that’s basically your angle, “no smoke without fire”. When there are clear facts that Russia exacerbated tensions in 2013-2014, and kyboshed a potentially peaceful resolution when Yanukovich and the Opposition were actually hammering something out.
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No different from nulamd being on the ground on one side. Meddling No.differnt than decades of funding western think tanks over there Nor alleged cia involvement in the protests. 2 empires playing a game
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Het-field
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Yes, it’s different. It is blatantly different. Russia actively intervened to prolong the protests by threatening the economy. Russia also actively invaded Crimea at the time. It is chalk and cheese. Russia used its financial bailout to manipulate the situation.
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the more I dig the more I finds stuff like kylee smith's analysis
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Het-field
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And yet it constantly returns to the Nuland call as the “smoking gun.” It’s deflectionary, and returns to the same tired narrative that is always the US.
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It's mentioned but not hung on the point It's not always the US but as I've always said they were on the ground for a long time in Ukraine
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Het-field
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The call has been repeated as evidence of meddling when it’s nothing of the sort. One comment related to Kiltchsko and his lack of experience. In another post on quora, the author states a belief that the conflict is 90% not the responsibility of Russia. Her credibility is shot at this point, as you can’t claim to be “neutral” and then heavily weight responsibility in one direction, which is exactly what she has done.
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And yet it's hard to argue with any of the points she makes in her analysis
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Het-field
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In fact, it’s very easy. I’m not disputing historical CIA involvement in other parts of the world. But again, he analysis is 2+2 = 5, and then ties the conclusion by massively overblowing the consequences of the Nuland call. Russia is responsible here, and it responsible for the failure to resolve the protests in 2014, though a direct threat to the Ukrainian authority. Equally you’ll note she avoids the question of how people came to the protest in the first place, which is critical to the agency of the Maidan protestors, in a country that had a recent history of anti-Government protest. Like I said, the analyser has also concluded that Russia is 90% not responsible. That is a bizarre take, particularly when Russia’s fingerprints are all over the conflict, not least as they are the invaders.
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Ohhh AHH are you blind? On those maps you posted Russia lost huge areas? The majority of Kharkiv they occupied and everything they held across the Dnipro including Kherson. Since those losses Russia have made a 0.01% net gain.
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