Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Perhaps this in one for the US thread or the Gaza thread?

It's the same US. It shows the extent of their hypocrisy and aims to control

If that’s the case then this is certainly a point for one of the other threads. I assume you accept that Russia’s behaviour is the primary reason for the invasion? And the prior invasion in 2014?

Ah so that’s basically your angle, “no smoke without fire”. When there are clear facts that Russia exacerbated tensions in 2013-2014, and kyboshed a potentially peaceful resolution when Yanukovich and the Opposition were actually hammering something out.

Yes, it’s different. It is blatantly different. Russia actively intervened to prolong the protests by threatening the economy. Russia also actively invaded Crimea at the time. It is chalk and cheese. Russia used its financial bailout to manipulate the situation. 

And yet it constantly returns to the Nuland call as the “smoking gun.” It’s deflectionary, and returns to the same tired narrative that is always the US.

The call has been repeated as evidence of meddling when it’s nothing of the sort. One comment related to Kiltchsko and his lack of experience. In another post on quora, the author states a belief that the conflict is 90% not the responsibility of Russia. Her credibility is shot at this point, as you can’t claim to be “neutral” and then heavily weight responsibility in one direction, which is exactly what she has done.

In fact, it’s very easy. I’m not disputing historical CIA involvement in other parts of the world. But again, he analysis is 2+2 = 5, and then ties the conclusion by massively overblowing the consequences of the Nuland call. Russia is responsible here, and it responsible for the failure to resolve the protests in 2014, though a direct threat to the Ukrainian authority. Equally you’ll note she avoids the question of how people came to the protest in the first place, which is critical to the agency of the Maidan protestors, in a country that had a recent history of anti-Government protest. Like I said, the analyser has also concluded that Russia is 90% not responsible. That is a bizarre take, particularly when Russia’s fingerprints are all over the conflict, not least as they are the invaders.