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Dimitar Berbatov
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Javier Hernandez
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Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 12:54pm |
Football's all about balance. Think of some of the greatest players ever to play the game ... Pele, Garrincha, Maradona, Messi, Best ... They all were blessed with a low centre of gravity. Tallest of that bunch was Best at 5ft 9in. If a 17 year old needs to put on half a stone of muscle that can be easily done, but he'd want to know how to pass a f**king ball first. Our youth leagues are dominated by lads who are big for their age and good for f**k all apart from booting smaller kids up in the air. It's a wonder we produce any decent players at all.
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MayoMark
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Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 7:47am |
Another issue for me is kids trying to put on a lot of weight. One guy on our side who just missed out on trials this year (he had a difficult year) is technically brilliant, unbelievable feet, but is physically fairly small. So he's trying to do wieghts etc. I think it's insane as he doesn't need weight for his game.
Is Messi huge? Is Xavi huge? Is Iniesta huge? Nope, not at all... In fact Barca prefer quick, smaller players.
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Dimitar Berbatov
500 Club la la la
Javier Hernandez
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Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 5:05am |
Hadn't seen that. Should be a major priority. A lot of ex-players would be well placed to take on such a role. Not f**king rocket science.
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Huggybeer
Liam Brady
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Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 4:42am |
DB have a read of this Thread http://www.ybig.ie/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30686&title=youth-development The English are coping on too, Gareth Southgate appointed to make the changes
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Dimitar Berbatov
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Javier Hernandez
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Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 9:22pm |
Some interesting thoughts in this thread. The FAI should read it. They should also maybe try to figure out why the top three players in the World Player of the Year award were all youth products from one club. Cruyff implemented the youth structures from Ajax when he went to Barcelona. The same ethos that yielded a 1995 Champions League for Ajax has given Barcelona the greatest club side in 50 years. What do we do? Walk the same trail as the English. Unimaginative, uninspiring sh*te where the basic skills are never absorbed and consequently creativity is an impossible. Fair play to anyone who is willing to challenge that.
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MayoMark
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Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 8:01pm |
Castlebar Celtic Under 17s are Mayo Premier Division Champions after an 87th winner against Ballyheane in the title decider tonight Won 4-3!
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MayoMark
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:32am |
I'd love to introuce some sort of prog at Celtic too where it's nailed down that winning is not important, rather player development is. The same formation, style should be played from Academy up!
Also would encourage usuing different formations at different times. Say, 3 games 442, 3 433, and 3 451 an a couple 343 over the course of a season. By the time they are 18 they will all be comfortable with different formations/jobs when needs be.
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Huggybeer
Liam Brady
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:30am |
MayoMark wrote:
That's a huge factor too. I've said before that competetive football shouldn't exist before under 13 or 14! And 10 year olds playing 11 a side is absolutely crazy! | agree mark your putting at best a 4 foot keeper into a 6" goal, that probably has a 1/2 foot dip in the middle. fish in a barrel
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MayoMark
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:27am |
That's a huge factor too. I've said before that competetive football shouldn't exist before under 13 or 14! And 10 year olds playing 11 a side is absolutely crazy!
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MayoMark
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:26am |
Simple: Winning was regarded as more important than player development. Same as today really. Hoofing the ball up in youth games is effective and can provide instant success. Coaching FOOTBALL may not win the Under 12 Mayo League, but it can lead to an FAI Youth Cup at Under 17 or 18 level!! That's the way I look at it, but too many coaches/managers think short term.
To summarise, Winning > Player Development while it should be the total opposite!
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Huggybeer
Liam Brady
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:24am |
Because we have 5 year olds playing competitive ball, they feel presured to hooooof the ball every chance they get. Spain, france etc, dont play competitive league format until U14, no presure on the players at a young age, so they take extra touches and are all comfortable on the ball from back to front, The english FA have only changed to this format this year
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Liam Brady
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:20am |
I don't know what it is with Irish and British youth teams. But bisecting the midfield and hoofing it from back to front seems to be the way we've always played. Why is this?
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BigStrongMan
Robbie Keane
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:14am |
Huggybeer wrote:
True that: The lad who done the team in kilnamanagh with me, had a great eye for a player, we got a player from manor town, had him at the back told to hoofff every time the ball came near him "cause he was tall". 1st season with us, played high on the left, 2nd season striker and top soccer, so much ability.
Ive got a 4month old now and I cant wait for him to start, im 5 times the coach now than when i started 6 years ago.
1sr Rule, Partents shut the fook up, I dont care if he is the next robbie keane, if you dont like it fook off, but he'll be the poorer for it |
1st rule of every new season to parents is-shut the fuk up
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MayoMark
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:13am |
I hope we start investing heavily in coaching soon at Celtic. It's needed, it would really freshen everything up. An it's clearly the best way to go. Would love to see 5 grand a year put away for coaching dev
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Huggybeer
Liam Brady
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:11am |
True that: The lad who done the team in kilnamanagh with me, had a great eye for a player, we got a player from manor town, had him at the back told to hoofff every time the ball came near him "cause he was tall". 1st season with us, played high on the left, 2nd season striker and top soccer, so much ability.
Ive got a 4month old now and I cant wait for him to start, im 5 times the coach now than when i started 6 years ago.
1sr Rule, Partents shut the fook up, I dont care if he is the next robbie keane, if you dont like it fook off, but he'll be the poorer for it
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MayoMark
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:08am |
There is a disease in kids football... The amount of times you will hear a parent roar "KICK IT!" if a lad has the ball at a youth game... Awful
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Robbie Keane
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 7:00am |
MayoMark wrote:
Yeah being out doing drills is the most important thing. Sitting own looking at presentations can be tedious. As you say, these are the things that 6 and 7 year olds should be learning. Go to Holland and you'll see their schoolboy leagues are full of passing and moving. |
yep no roar+applause when a centre half hoofs the ball 40yards,fukin wrecks me head when parents/managers do this,kids learn fuk all when the balls in the clouds
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MayoMark
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Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 6:56am |
Yeah being out doing drills is the most important thing. Sitting own looking at presentations can be tedious. As you say, these are the things that 6 and 7 year olds should be learning. Go to Holland and you'll see their schoolboy leagues are full of passing and moving.
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