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Mush Cassidys Donkey
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It's a yes yes vote for me. When you see every scumbag from the far right looking for a no no vote then It's a no brainer for me.
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32830 |
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Possibly but the constitutional change will compel them to do so. That’s the crucial difference. There is a massive lack of protection for those families where the parents are not married. This change will mean the state recognises them as family and compels the government of the day to change policies to reflect the constitutional change. Leaving it as is will mean they may or may not change it.
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Reildogg
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It doesn't say that. New wording is: "The State recognises that the provision of care, by members of a family to one another by reason of the bonds that exist among them, gives to Society a support without which the common good cannot be achieved, and shall strive to support such provision."
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Saint Tom
Jack Charlton Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9986 |
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I don't agree that a widowers pension or married person tax treatment etc should be extended to non married couples. I'm no conservative but there has to be some bar to durable relationships. Do obligations after break ups then apply to non married couples? Can't have one without the other imo.
Fwiw I think the government have made a balls of this by ignoring some elements of the Citizens assembly outcome and the poor new wording of the clauses that have to go in a modern society.
Edited by Saint Tom - 05 Mar 2024 at 8:18pm |
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The GerK
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So vote yes and get have a chance of claiming it instead
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32830 |
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Tom that’s being said from the position of being married. Of course a pension should be given to someone who has been in a durable relationship right up to death. If I passed away in the morning my partner and kids would need my pension and they would deserve it and should not be prevented from It because I am not married. The same for the tax treatment. When you are living together with kids I think it’s pretty obvious the relationship is durable ffs.
Edited by Baldrick - 05 Mar 2024 at 8:20pm |
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The GerK
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Stupid reason
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FrankosHereNow
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I normally see what the Iona institute are advocating and do the opposite. They’re pushing a No/no vote so yes/yes is what I’d go for. I’ve got an early flight on Friday morning so won’t be able to vote.
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Saint Tom
Jack Charlton Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9986 |
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Don't agree with you Baldrick. Where is the bar?having kids, moving in (after how long??). Do families get one parent family after the break up? Where there's imbalance in incomes, are they obliged to maintain their family (including romantic partner) if they break up? Seems like wanting all the benefits without the obligations.
This is opening a minefield of potential costs for the state. That doesn't mean you are not a family. I would just prefer the constitution was changed and all definitions removed to let the government legislate. I don't trust the judiciary to get this right.
Edited by Saint Tom - 05 Mar 2024 at 8:26pm |
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The GerK
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That's my thinking. The Government's handling of this hasn't helped at all
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Saint Tom
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Should I not get to vote as a married person so? How do you know my position wasn't the same before hand? Very presumptive. I'm marginally minded to support a yes vote because of the unacceptable nature of the status quo, but I have serious issues with how it will play out in practice.
Edited by Saint Tom - 05 Mar 2024 at 8:32pm |
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Baldrick
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Of course you should get a vote. Everyone should get a vote. The point I am making is that this will benefit lots of people who are married but are currently families in reality but not recognised by the state through the constitution. My view would be the more families that this can help the better. This has zero impact on anyone who is currently married and only helps those that are not. So it’s an Empathetic thing to do to help others and use your vote to do so.
Edited by Baldrick - 05 Mar 2024 at 8:36pm |
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lassassinblanc
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After reading through responses I'm even more confused
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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32830 |
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There are always people who like to confuse a pretty simple change with all sorts of bogus reasons for maintaing their own prejudices. There is the Ioana crowd who have been on the wrong side of every referendum for one. They have and never will be proven right as their views are loaded with judgement and divisiveness.
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The GerK
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Are you trying to suggest it's only the likes of the Ioana crowd who are advocating a no/no? |
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Baldrick
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No I didn’t say that. Read what I said and you will get a decent idea of what I said rather than inventing what you think I said. You may have forgotten my previous post which references Tom Clonan and his views.
Edited by Baldrick - 05 Mar 2024 at 8:59pm |
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The GerK
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No need to get cranky. |
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Baldrick
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No need to get conspiracy 😀
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