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Baldrick
Robbie Keane Peyton-tly Pedantic Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 32783 |
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What is to stop a player whose parents are born in Ireland to âabuseâ the rules as you say under your rules. Itâs funny that you say rules are rules I.e the players would Just have to accept them (under your system). But you are not prepared to do the same and accept the current rules. Double standards. The rules currently in place are the same for every nation are also aligned with our rules around citizenship. If you change the rules it will change for every nation and it will also mean they are not aligned with citizenship. I.e. a person could get an Irish passport and be an Irish citizen but couldnât play for Ireland under your rules as they wouldnât be deemed Irish enough for you. Not a very clever situation to have. You are just coming across as an angry man shouting at a cloud to be honest just because a few players game the situation for their own benefit. Also you are putting words in my mouth. You use the word mercenaries and you are of the view the team is full of mercenaries. Thatâs not my view so you associating your view of the world with me is a classic straw man tactic.
Edited by Baldrick - 05 Jan 2024 at 10:52am |
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AKA pedantic kunt
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10 Box
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Think most people will agree come March he will have had more than enough time to make a decision. Should be a straight Yes or No & take it from there.
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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 34864 |
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I reckon the next update from Cannon will be that he's concentrating on this club career (he will get a chance to play in the EPL and may end up getting an England call).
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When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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MC Hammered
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 6871 |
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I would find that approach quite refreshing. If we have a new manager before February, I'd love to see this rolled out: "Hi Tom, We really like the look of you and would like to get you involved in March. Take a couple of weeks to think about whether you want to play for us and let us know by X date as we'll be naming the squad a week or two later. If you're not sure or would prefer to hold off on a decision then thats no problem but I wont be in a position to consider you for selection in my tenure as I need to forward plan to build a squad with committed players. If you want to have a chat to discuss then I'm more than happy to accommodate but lets do it sooner rather than later. "
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El Puto Amo
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10 Box
Davey Langan Joined: 21 Jun 2012 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 788 |
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Exactly would be great if he stayed with us but should not be given any longer to make the decision.
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TooOldForThis
Liam Brady Joined: 07 Sep 2020 Status: Offline Points: 1206 |
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I'm sure most of us don't just support Ireland, we support our club teams as well. But my support for Ireland is very different from my support for my club. I couldn't care less about the national backgrounds of the club players. But I want the Ireland team to actually reflect something about our country. So I want the players to have a sincere prior connection with Ireland, in whatever form that takes, if at all possible.
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and Iâm NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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I'd imagine you'll be devastated by Finn Azaz playing for us given his background then. It's hard to believe that in this day and age we're still wrestling with all of this blood purity sh*te when it comes to our national team, but then again there always has been a weird amount of derision towards the diaspora.
Edited by The O'Shea - 05 Jan 2024 at 1:36pm |
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We're decent enough..
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Fruice
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1260 |
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Jesus lads there is some fierce philosophical argumentâs going on here.
The rules are the rules itâs a as simple as that every nation is governed by the same set of rules, We like every nation should use them to the best of our advantage anything other than this is pie in the sky. We should of course with our limited playing pool be exploiting every option available to us.
Edited by Fruice - 05 Jan 2024 at 1:36pm |
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SeaSharp
Liam Brady Joined: 09 Jun 2022 Location: Ingerlund Status: Offline Points: 1856 |
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In fairness, Azaz having Israeli heritage doesn't preclude him from having a sincere connection to Ireland. I kinda get what TOFT is saying. It'd be pretty depressing if we'd a squad filled with England rejects who were just using us a way to rack up a few international caps. It's nice that we have lads, even ones from the diaspora, who have sincere connections and represent us with a sense of national pride. I say this as a member of the diaspora myself, fwiw.
Edited by SeaSharp - 05 Jan 2024 at 1:44pm |
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25086 |
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Spot on. Exactly how it should should be put by the next manager by leaving the door open without making us look needy and puts the onus on the player not to string us along.
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 34864 |
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Wasn't there a bit of an issue before with the under age teams whereby the English lads were preferred over home grown Irish players to try and prevent them from switching.
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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t_rAndy
Robbie Keane Joined: 06 Feb 2008 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 26242 |
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Which is the influence coming from the agent no doubt. "Look at Grealish and Rice, 100m players within a a few years of switching to England". This would be the situation where you tell them right it's the last time we are asking you.
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Green Cockade
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Jan 2020 Location: Belfast Status: Offline Points: 2686 |
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Professional footballers are all mercenaries. I do not blame them for that. Itâs a short career where you have to maximise your opportunities before itâs all over. Doesnât make a lot of sense to for instance extol the performances of Mikey Johnston for Ireland if youâre annoyed about him taking years to declare in the first place. Or lament the defections of Rice and Grealish if you werenât happy about their selection in squads ahead of Ireland born players. Whatever their motives or mindsets, professional players want to play well when theyâre on the field and it really is down to putting out the best team possible under the rules that pertain at any given time.
Edited by Green Cockade - 05 Jan 2024 at 2:37pm |
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Banjaxed
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Tom Cannon. Deary me.
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horsebox
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Wouldn't agree with that at all. I think a lot of it is agent driven. If they were all mercenaries, they would be engineering moves to SA. |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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TooOldForThis
Liam Brady Joined: 07 Sep 2020 Status: Offline Points: 1206 |
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Why would I be devastated? The lad is English born of both Irish and Israeli heritage. It seems he has the choice of 3 nations. If he has a sense of Irishness as part of his mixed heritage, welcome aboard!
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The O'Shea
Jack Charlton I know everything and Iâm NEVER wrong Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 9554 |
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And what if that sense of Irishness came with a strong sense of also being Israeli - would that pass your "purity of the soul" check, seeing as our players apparently are only legitimate Irishmen if they represent all of your own views on Irishnes?
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We're decent enough..
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