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Bunch of cucks on here! If England called him up next window that would end the debate! England is his first choice and we’re clearly a back up plan.
 

The likes of Duffy or McClean wouldn’t have played for us if you limited the rules as much as some on here are demanding! 

It’s 2023 every nation on planet earth will have this issue and continue to have it going forward. As for Cannon I wouldn’t even worry about him until he makes a decision now. 

Technically incorrect on Duffy, as his father was from Donegal.
Surely they qualify by virtue of the fact that they are simply Irish? No need to consider birth place of their parents?
 

If one wants the eligibility rules tightened up then both would have no choice but to play for the North as they were born there.  Both lads played for the North underage and defected to us. 

We benefitted from the rule and tend to with dual players tied to the North and ourselves as well as players of African descent not one African eligible player has deflected to their native country. Ogbene has ironically admitted desiring a switch to Nigeria. 
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by williemc83 williemc83 wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Bunch of cucks on here! If England called him up next window that would end the debate! England is his first choice and we’re clearly a back up plan.
 

The likes of Duffy or McClean wouldn’t have played for us if you limited the rules as much as some on here are demanding! 

It’s 2023 every nation on planet earth will have this issue and continue to have it going forward. As for Cannon I wouldn’t even worry about him until he makes a decision now. 

Technically incorrect on Duffy, as his father was from Donegal.
Surely they qualify by virtue of the fact that they are simply Irish? No need to consider birth place of their parents?
theres a small minority of so called fans who view the likes of mcclean or duffy as british. Its embarrassing 
 


There is no one saying they view them as British. Simply pointing out that by the standards some want to set as regards strict eligibility rules those lads would nearly be bound to playing for Northern Ireland. 

You can’t have it every way. We have benefited from it in recent years as regards players eligible for the North and the Republic declaring for us. We haven’t in recent years when it comes to England unfortunately. 
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Times have changed since Jack’s day when players born outside Ireland comprised most of the team. That now applies to NI though.

I wonder would the ghost of Bingham refer to them as mercenaries.  Wink
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Eligibility rules are annoying at times in situations like this but they make international football a lot more competitive. Morocco for instance get nowhere near a WC QF without players born overseas. International football is on merit not patriotism. Plenty of people do have a genuine attachment even if they aren't born in a country too so its not a straightforward answer for some people. 

But as for Tom Cannon he is non existant unless he decides to play for us. I'm not going to be upset he's just another random English player to not be fussed about. 


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[QUOTE=The O'Shea]Or you could just not pay attention to it rather than denying citizens the right to play for their country, simply because you find it "annoying"...
If they gave a sh*t about playing for the country they wouldn't f**k us around like some do. This desperation from some section of fans who want Ireland to be the side piece of an ungrateful player for a better shot at silverware is beyond me. No pride and no shame it seems from ye. 

So are saying Kilbane, Breen, Grealish, Aldridge,’Lawrenson , Houghton, Stephen Reid, Chris Hughton, Seamus McDonagh and many many more should not have been allowed play for Ireland. 

Just the Granny rulers. Kilbane's parents were Irish and he always wanted to play for Ireland for example.  

Ok tell me how you would like to codify these rules.  It’s only if you parents were born in the country can you play for that country.   Aiden McGeady grandparents were from Donegal and played with Ireland since he 15.  Whereas Jamie O Hara’s Dad was born in Magherafelt.  Also a person is entitled to an Irish passport if their grandparents are born in Ireland.  So you would have Irish citizens who can’t play for Ireland under your rule.  
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The exact same as the granny rule except it would need to be a parent. McGeady would be unlucky but for every McGeady there's about a dozen Grealish's, Rice's and szmodics' etc. Rules are rules. 
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I agree rules are rules.  And the rule is if you have a grandparent born in Ireland you can play for Ireland.  Those are the rules so accept them as rules are rules after all 😀
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Realrover Realrover wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Originally posted by Realrover Realrover wrote:

[QUOTE=The O'Shea]Or you could just not pay attention to it rather than denying citizens the right to play for their country, simply because you find it "annoying"...
If they gave a sh*t about playing for the country they wouldn't f**k us around like some do. This desperation from some section of fans who want Ireland to be the side piece of an ungrateful player for a better shot at silverware is beyond me. No pride and no shame it seems from ye. 

So are saying Kilbane, Breen, Grealish, Aldridge,’Lawrenson , Houghton, Stephen Reid, Chris Hughton, Seamus McDonagh and many many more should not have been allowed play for Ireland. 

Just the Granny rulers. Kilbane's parents were Irish and he always wanted to play for Ireland for example.  

Ok tell me how you would like to codify these rules.  It’s only if you parents were born in the country can you play for that country.   Aiden McGeady grandparents were from Donegal and played with Ireland since he 15.  Whereas Jamie O Hara’s Dad was born in Magherafelt.  Also a person is entitled to an Irish passport if their grandparents are born in Ireland.  So you would have Irish citizens who can’t play for Ireland under your rule.  
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The exact same as the granny rule except it would need to be a parent. McGeady would be unlucky but for every McGeady there's about a dozen Grealish's, Rice's and szmodics' etc. Rules are rules. 

Aye, rules are rules. And the rules of our country state than those with an Irish grandparent can be citizens, equal with all other citizens. FIFA rules similarly mirror this. 

But no, lets disregard all of those rules because Tom Cannon and those like him make you feel a bit anxious. Proper snowflakey if you ask me LOL
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Grandparent is just right. You can have a massive pull towards to home county/country of your grandparent and so much so that it could be your preference (I.e. McGeady) or could be that you are proud to represent them in honour of your grandparent if they came along first. 
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Some players born outside Ireland do have an obvious and genuine sense of connection to Ireland. But I would think they represent a minority who have declared for Ireland. If they wish to play for us fine, but lets not go cap in hand.
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If Tom doesnt play for us, hopefully his bigger brother Frank declares for us....he'd be a huge addition 
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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

I agree rules are rules.  And the rule is if you have a grandparent born in Ireland you can play for Ireland.  Those are the rules so accept them as rules are rules after all 😀


I'm aware of the rules, the point of this discussion is their abuse, a point you seem to conveniently ignore. 

You asked me to codify the rules and I answered. I was hoping for a worthy or educational rebuke but I guess you didn't have any.

Fact is granny rulers are filled with people who don't value an Irish cap, see Ireland as a plan B (or C or D) or merely see Ireland as a way to raise their stock by being an international player, not the attitude I'd want near the team especially at the expense of someone homegrown. FAI abuse the rules by constantly picking these players as well, to the detriment of the team in the long run. 

At the very least there should be a limit to the amount of granny rulers you can have in a squad so countries like Ireland will be forced to produce their own players. It's all quite pathetic really. It has given us a real lack of belief and inferiority complex, among other things. Alas, you seem ok with Ireland being filled with a load of mercenaries with tenuous affinities and links to the country and who don't really care about playing for Ireland in the hope we'll be that little bit better, may as well laugh like a clown so.


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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Some players born outside Ireland do have an obvious and genuine sense of connection to Ireland. But I would think they represent a minority who have declared for Ireland. If they wish to play for us fine, but lets not go cap in hand.

Exactly.

I would like to see the change to the existing rule so that decision needs to be make before the age of 21 or something.
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Imagine being offered a job and you leave them hanging for over a year. 

I like the granny rule and I'm fine if a player asks "can you give me a bit of time to mull things over'. But a bit of time should be like a month or two max to talk it over with the family. If by the next window they are still saying they are not sure then leave them to it. Let them come begging to you later on rather than chasing them down.
I'd even come out publicly as a manager and say "The player has said he hasn't made up his mind so im closing the door on that one, we have other players who want to play for us. The door is not locked but it will be up to player if he wants to come back and ask us to reconsider him again'. 
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Imagine being offered a job and you leave them hanging for over a year. 

I like the granny rule and I'm fine if a player asks "can you give me a bit of time to mull things over'. But a bit of time should be like a month or two max to talk it over with the family. If by the next window they are still saying they are not sure then leave them to it. Let them come begging to you later on rather than chasing them down.
I'd even come out publicly as a manager and say "The player has said he hasn't made up his mind so im closing the door on that one, we have other players who want to play for us. The door is not locked but it will be up to player if he wants to come back and ask us to reconsider him again'. 

Sums it up well for me, leeway both ways. 
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A stronger manager personality wise or a manager who is in a better position than Kenny was might close the door on Cannon and tell him to let him know when he decides.

Kenny’s constant need for a good news story left him unable to do that.
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Bunch of cucks on here! If England called him up next window that would end the debate! England is his first choice and we’re clearly a back up plan.


"Cucks" - why am I not surprised you use Andrew Tate speak LOL Literally the most insecure demographic of men who love nothing more than to project that onto people who actually have self-esteem.

Andrew Tate speak? What the f**k are you on about you mentalist?
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Next one of you to post anything in this thread not related to Cannon or the eligibility debate is suspended. Enough is enough. Everyone is fed up with it.

That includes replying to this. 
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Imagine being offered a job and you leave them hanging for over a year. 

I like the granny rule and I'm fine if a player asks "can you give me a bit of time to mull things over'. But a bit of time should be like a month or two max to talk it over with the family. If by the next window they are still saying they are not sure then leave them to it. Let them come begging to you later on rather than chasing them down.
I'd even come out publicly as a manager and say "The player has said he hasn't made up his mind so im closing the door on that one, we have other players who want to play for us. The door is not locked but it will be up to player if he wants to come back and ask us to reconsider him again'. 

Yeah, that sums it up for me.
Crawford (or even the new senior boss, if Cannon keeps scoring in the Championship) sure to be asked in March and, assuming no change, I'd like them to paraphrase the above.

As for the greater debate about granny-rulers, well, it gives us something to discuss in the long periods between matches Big smile
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