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I agree rules are rules.  And the rule is if you have a grandparent born in Ireland you can play for Ireland.  Those are the rules so accept them as rules are rules after all 😀
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[QUOTE=The O'Shea]Or you could just not pay attention to it rather than denying citizens the right to play for their country, simply because you find it "annoying"...
If they gave a sh*t about playing for the country they wouldn't f**k us around like some do. This desperation from some section of fans who want Ireland to be the side piece of an ungrateful player for a better shot at silverware is beyond me. No pride and no shame it seems from ye. 

So are saying Kilbane, Breen, Grealish, Aldridge,’Lawrenson , Houghton, Stephen Reid, Chris Hughton, Seamus McDonagh and many many more should not have been allowed play for Ireland. 

Just the Granny rulers. Kilbane's parents were Irish and he always wanted to play for Ireland for example.  

Ok tell me how you would like to codify these rules.  It’s only if you parents were born in the country can you play for that country.   Aiden McGeady grandparents were from Donegal and played with Ireland since he 15.  Whereas Jamie O Hara’s Dad was born in Magherafelt.  Also a person is entitled to an Irish passport if their grandparents are born in Ireland.  So you would have Irish citizens who can’t play for Ireland under your rule.  
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The exact same as the granny rule except it would need to be a parent. McGeady would be unlucky but for every McGeady there's about a dozen Grealish's, Rice's and szmodics' etc. Rules are rules. 
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Eligibility rules are annoying at times in situations like this but they make international football a lot more competitive. Morocco for instance get nowhere near a WC QF without players born overseas. International football is on merit not patriotism. Plenty of people do have a genuine attachment even if they aren't born in a country too so its not a straightforward answer for some people. 

But as for Tom Cannon he is non existant unless he decides to play for us. I'm not going to be upset he's just another random English player to not be fussed about. 


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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Times have changed since Jack’s day when players born outside Ireland comprised most of the team. That now applies to NI though.

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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by williemc83 williemc83 wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

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Bunch of cucks on here! If England called him up next window that would end the debate! England is his first choice and we’re clearly a back up plan.
 

The likes of Duffy or McClean wouldn’t have played for us if you limited the rules as much as some on here are demanding! 

It’s 2023 every nation on planet earth will have this issue and continue to have it going forward. As for Cannon I wouldn’t even worry about him until he makes a decision now. 

Technically incorrect on Duffy, as his father was from Donegal.
Surely they qualify by virtue of the fact that they are simply Irish? No need to consider birth place of their parents?
theres a small minority of so called fans who view the likes of mcclean or duffy as british. Its embarrassing 
 


There is no one saying they view them as British. Simply pointing out that by the standards some want to set as regards strict eligibility rules those lads would nearly be bound to playing for Northern Ireland. 

You can’t have it every way. We have benefited from it in recent years as regards players eligible for the North and the Republic declaring for us. We haven’t in recent years when it comes to England unfortunately. 
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by williemc83 williemc83 wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Bunch of cucks on here! If England called him up next window that would end the debate! England is his first choice and we’re clearly a back up plan.
 

The likes of Duffy or McClean wouldn’t have played for us if you limited the rules as much as some on here are demanding! 

It’s 2023 every nation on planet earth will have this issue and continue to have it going forward. As for Cannon I wouldn’t even worry about him until he makes a decision now. 

Technically incorrect on Duffy, as his father was from Donegal.
Surely they qualify by virtue of the fact that they are simply Irish? No need to consider birth place of their parents?
 

If one wants the eligibility rules tightened up then both would have no choice but to play for the North as they were born there.  Both lads played for the North underage and defected to us. 

We benefitted from the rule and tend to with dual players tied to the North and ourselves as well as players of African descent not one African eligible player has deflected to their native country. Ogbene has ironically admitted desiring a switch to Nigeria. 
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Times have changed since Jack’s day when players born outside Ireland comprised most of the team. That now applies to NI though.
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Sorry, Kernaghan wasn't actually born on the island. His parents were, and he grew up in NI. 
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Originally posted by Heimatklange Heimatklange wrote:

Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by williemc83 williemc83 wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Bunch of cucks on here! If England called him up next window that would end the debate! England is his first choice and we’re clearly a back up plan.
 

The likes of Duffy or McClean wouldn’t have played for us if you limited the rules as much as some on here are demanding! 

It’s 2023 every nation on planet earth will have this issue and continue to have it going forward. As for Cannon I wouldn’t even worry about him until he makes a decision now. 

Technically incorrect on Duffy, as his father was from Donegal.
Surely they qualify by virtue of the fact that they are simply Irish? No need to consider birth place of their parents?
theres a small minority of so called fans who view the likes of mcclean or duffy as british. Its embarrassing 
My point is that Duffy still would have qualified to play irrespective of whether he was born in the north and qualified through that route. 

It was actually much publicised at the time, as the then NI manager complained of post GFA players qualifying through to play for Ireland, even though the GFA was never a factor as anyone born on the island was always entitled to play prior to that (e.g. Kernaghan). Furthermore, his comments were proven to be beyond ignorant when it was also highlighted that Duffy's father was from Donegal. 
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Originally posted by TooOldForThis TooOldForThis wrote:

Originally posted by williemc83 williemc83 wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Bunch of cucks on here! If England called him up next window that would end the debate! England is his first choice and we’re clearly a back up plan.
 

The likes of Duffy or McClean wouldn’t have played for us if you limited the rules as much as some on here are demanding! 

It’s 2023 every nation on planet earth will have this issue and continue to have it going forward. As for Cannon I wouldn’t even worry about him until he makes a decision now. 

Technically incorrect on Duffy, as his father was from Donegal.
Surely they qualify by virtue of the fact that they are simply Irish? No need to consider birth place of their parents?
theres a small minority of so called fans who view the likes of mcclean or duffy as british. Its embarrassing 
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Originally posted by williemc83 williemc83 wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Bunch of cucks on here! If England called him up next window that would end the debate! England is his first choice and we’re clearly a back up plan.
 

The likes of Duffy or McClean wouldn’t have played for us if you limited the rules as much as some on here are demanding! 

It’s 2023 every nation on planet earth will have this issue and continue to have it going forward. As for Cannon I wouldn’t even worry about him until he makes a decision now. 

Technically incorrect on Duffy, as his father was from Donegal.
Surely they qualify by virtue of the fact that they are simply Irish? No need to consider birth place of their parents?
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Bunch of cucks on here! If England called him up next window that would end the debate! England is his first choice and we’re clearly a back up plan.
 

The likes of Duffy or McClean wouldn’t have played for us if you limited the rules as much as some on here are demanding! 

It’s 2023 every nation on planet earth will have this issue and continue to have it going forward. As for Cannon I wouldn’t even worry about him until he makes a decision now. 

Technically incorrect on Duffy, as his father was from Donegal.
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I would rather we produce our own players and not rely on England players who are unable to fulfil their dreams and pick us to further their own careers.



100% agree with this. No harm though in also picking players who want to play for us and are eligible.  We should never prostitute ourselves and come across as pathetic either.  
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

The granny rule is too open. It needs to be tightened. 

Szmodics and Callum Robinson should be nowhere near the team - he did play 31 times for England scoring 9 goals.

Cannon leading us on to see if he can get an England call up and than default back to Ireland when that dream is over is embarrassing. 

To who exactly? Literally no one gives a f*ck about whether Cannon plays for Ireland or not bar a small set of Ireland fans. It's utterly irrelevant to 99% of the footballing world - your embarrassment is entirely self generated.

We have been mocked many times for being England's B team and the joke about FAI - Find another Irishman.

Our inability to produce our own players and our reliance on other countries to produce players for us - when their dream of playing for England or whoever is over.

Cannon should make his decision soon or an ultimatum should be put to him. Now or never.

 


Josh Cullen,Robinson or the odd granny ruler playing for us is not the main reason we are mocked for being the English B team if that’s what your concerned about! 

99.9% ain’t aware and couldn’t care less! 


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I would rather we produce our own players and not rely on England players who are unable to fulfil their dreams and pick us to further their own careers.
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

The granny rule is too open. It needs to be tightened. 

Szmodics and Callum Robinson should be nowhere near the team - he did play 31 times for England scoring 9 goals.

Cannon leading us on to see if he can get an England call up and than default back to Ireland when that dream is over is embarrassing. 

To who exactly? Literally no one gives a f*ck about whether Cannon plays for Ireland or not bar a small set of Ireland fans. It's utterly irrelevant to 99% of the footballing world - your embarrassment is entirely self generated.

We have been mocked many times for being England's B team and the joke about FAI - Find another Irishman.

Our inability to produce our own players and our reliance on other countries to produce players for us - when their dream of playing for England or whoever is over.

Cannon should make his decision soon or an ultimatum should be put to him. Now or never.


Boo hoo like, why are you worried about the odd English Knuckle dragger throwing stones online? Are you going to start wearing fake tan because we get sl*gged for being pale too?  It's pathetic that you'd give that much headspace to anonymous eeijits doing a bit of sl*gging


Edited by The O'Shea - 04 Jan 2024 at 12:10pm
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Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

The granny rule is too open. It needs to be tightened. 

Szmodics and Callum Robinson should be nowhere near the team - he did play 31 times for England scoring 9 goals.

Cannon leading us on to see if he can get an England call up and than default back to Ireland when that dream is over is embarrassing. 

To who exactly? Literally no one gives a f*ck about whether Cannon plays for Ireland or not bar a small set of Ireland fans. It's utterly irrelevant to 99% of the footballing world - your embarrassment is entirely self generated.

We have been mocked many times for being England's B team and the joke about FAI - Find another Irishman.

Our inability to produce our own players and our reliance on other countries to produce players for us - when their dream of playing for England or whoever is over.

Cannon should make his decision soon or an ultimatum should be put to him. Now or never.




The FAI should employ a man to 'persuade' these lads to declare for The EIRE.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by horsebox horsebox wrote:

The granny rule is too open. It needs to be tightened. 

Szmodics and Callum Robinson should be nowhere near the team - he did play 31 times for England scoring 9 goals.

Cannon leading us on to see if he can get an England call up and than default back to Ireland when that dream is over is embarrassing. 

To who exactly? Literally no one gives a f*ck about whether Cannon plays for Ireland or not bar a small set of Ireland fans. It's utterly irrelevant to 99% of the footballing world - your embarrassment is entirely self generated.

We have been mocked many times for being England's B team and the joke about FAI - Find another Irishman.

Our inability to produce our own players and our reliance on other countries to produce players for us - when their dream of playing for England or whoever is over.

Cannon should make his decision soon or an ultimatum should be put to him. Now or never.
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