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People saying it wasn't a penalty would be screaming for a penalty if the roles were reversed.
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Originally posted by King_Kenny King_Kenny wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Lads blaming the ref for it are delusional. Can 100% see why he gave the penalty! 

Tactics were absolutely shocking as usual particularly when we went 2-1 up. One stage when we had the ball up the pitch Leavy elects for a conservative pass back instead of knocking it into Emakhu and from there we just aimlessly passed it around until a defender forced it out of play under pressure! 

This was at 67 minutes not 97 minutes! Zero interest in trying a yard once we got the lead and Norway were there for the taking on the break he leaves players like Springett and Okoflex on the bench. 

Unforgivable I can defend it to an extent against Italy who might be a superior side but not Norway who clearly weren’t. The subs as many pointed out were awful too!



It wasn’t a peno, the Norwegian fella grabbed and fouled Healy first, and Healy instinctively grabbed him back. 

It was right in front of the referee and was an easy free out. 

Norway then were awarded several frees out in succession when we had the good chances to put the ball into their box.
Healy should have went down. Stupidity to grab the other fellas jersey.

100% there was a massive size difference between Healy and the big block head Norwegian centre half, if Healy goes down it’s an easy decision for the ref.
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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Lads blaming the ref for it are delusional. Can 100% see why he gave the penalty! 

Tactics were absolutely shocking as usual particularly when we went 2-1 up. One stage when we had the ball up the pitch Leavy elects for a conservative pass back instead of knocking it into Emakhu and from there we just aimlessly passed it around until a defender forced it out of play under pressure! 

This was at 67 minutes not 97 minutes! Zero interest in trying a yard once we got the lead and Norway were there for the taking on the break he leaves players like Springett and Okoflex on the bench. 

Unforgivable I can defend it to an extent against Italy who might be a superior side but not Norway who clearly weren’t. The subs as many pointed out were awful too!



It wasn’t a peno, the Norwegian fella grabbed and fouled Healy first, and Healy instinctively grabbed him back. 

It was right in front of the referee and was an easy free out. 

Norway then were awarded several frees out in succession when we had the good chances to put the ball into their box.
Healy should have went down. Stupidity to grab the other fellas jersey.
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Originally posted by kevin100 kevin100 wrote:

Lads blaming the ref for it are delusional. Can 100% see why he gave the penalty! 

Tactics were absolutely shocking as usual particularly when we went 2-1 up. One stage when we had the ball up the pitch Leavy elects for a conservative pass back instead of knocking it into Emakhu and from there we just aimlessly passed it around until a defender forced it out of play under pressure! 

This was at 67 minutes not 97 minutes! Zero interest in trying a yard once we got the lead and Norway were there for the taking on the break he leaves players like Springett and Okoflex on the bench. 

Unforgivable I can defend it to an extent against Italy who might be a superior side but not Norway who clearly weren’t. The subs as many pointed out were awful too!



It wasn’t a peno, the Norwegian fella grabbed and fouled Healy first, and Healy instinctively grabbed him back. 

It was right in front of the referee and was an easy free out. 

Norway then were awarded several frees out in succession when we had the good chances to put the ball into their box.
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Still frustrated with that result last night.
I recall when we were 1-1 and then 1-2, I was saying that this is one of Jim's better team performances.
We looked organised and were giving them very little.

Then he subbed off Emakhu and the wheels came loose and then few off.
How he can't go 4-3-3 and spring Okoflex (and Springett, assuming fit...on the bench so I assume so) for the last 15 minutes is baffling.

Just so frustrating and annoying watching Crawfords 21's and they get results despite the tactics sometimes.

Anything out of Tuesday night will be a bonus.
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I’d actually love Kenny to go back to U21 level. It was too short lived. How much would a LOI manager get versus what they might be able to pay Kenny as head of underage coaches and U21 team?
Could see it happening at some point in future. Imagine he might try his hand in England one time though if something comes up.
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Lads blaming the ref for it are delusional. Can 100% see why he gave the penalty! 

Tactics were absolutely shocking as usual particularly when we went 2-1 up. One stage when we had the ball up the pitch Leavy elects for a conservative pass back instead of knocking it into Emakhu and from there we just aimlessly passed it around until a defender forced it out of play under pressure! 

This was at 67 minutes not 97 minutes! Zero interest in trying a yard once we got the lead and Norway were there for the taking on the break he leaves players like Springett and Okoflex on the bench. 

Unforgivable I can defend it to an extent against Italy who might be a superior side but not Norway who clearly weren’t. The subs as many pointed out were awful too!
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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:

Absolutely threw that away.
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Absolutely.
Gutted with that and once Emakhu (our best player by some margin) went off (with the commentators talking about saving him for Tuesday...Christ) we failed to do much.
Very frustrating, but taking the positives, Emakhu looks an excellent versatile forward player and the keeper is a big upgrade on Maher.

Tuesday will be tough and assuming the Italians turn us over, the group is wide open and we absolutely need to beat Norway at home next year.
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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

for all the talk about how talented Norway are, O’Mahony has a far better record at PL2 level than the man united young fella up front for them tonight…


Ollie O'Neill also has a far better PL2 record and he isn't even a striker.
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for all the talk about how talented Norway are, O’Mahony has a far better record at PL2 level than the man united young fella up front for them tonight…
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Originally posted by Greenie50 Greenie50 wrote:


On a broader squad point, I think Carty should be moved on. He hasn't been a goalscorer at any level he's played at. Should be replaced by O'Mahony.

AO yes, because he hasn't played for months.

Parrott no, because he's playing regularly. Would like to see him start vs NZ with Moran behind him in the 10 role.



O'Mahony will hopefully get a call up next June for the summer training camp. Hopefully this goes a lot better than this year's with one team not showing up and the other being racist towards Armstrong.

Na get that Ferguson and Moran combo started this window. Both should start together rather than Parrott and Moran.

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Absolutely threw that away.

I don't want to hear anyone saying "we would have won with Moran". There was enough in the squad tonight to win but Crawford shot himself in the foot.

Taking off Emakhu with 30mins left was crazy, most dangerous player on the pitch. Went pear-shaped from there really.
Leaving Armstrong on when he wasn't having a good game (goal aside). He's chaotic, but it wasn't working on the night & he was on the wrong side of the ref from minute one.

Then a goal down with 15mins left, he sticks with 352, instead of switching to 433 & bring on a couple of players who have already won us matches in campaign - Oko-Flex (2 goals vs Latvia) & Springett (assists vs Turkey & Latvia). No, Crawford leaves actual match-winners on the bench.

Vata another one. 2 good goals vs San Marino -> not even in the squad.

So, no, I don't want to hear about Moran (he's far better off training with better players & being away from Crawford)

On a broader squad point, I think Carty should be moved on. He hasn't been a goalscorer at any level he's played at. Should be replaced by O'Mahony.


Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

One last thought, with Moran on the pitch we win that game and probably guarantee ourselves 2nd at worst. Let's see how many minutes he gets tomorrow!

If Oscar Bobb played they win 6-2! These things even themselves out.

If Evan Ferguson played…

Leaving aside Evan and Baz, Theres a fair argument Troy and Andy O should have!


AO yes, because he hasn't played for months.

Parrott no, because he's playing regularly. Would like to see him start vs NZ with Moran behind him in the 10 role.


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Originally posted by Maccatacca Maccatacca wrote:

Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

One last thought, with Moran on the pitch we win that game and probably guarantee ourselves 2nd at worst. Let's see how many minutes he gets tomorrow!

If Oscar Bobb played they win 6-2! These things even themselves out.

If Evan Ferguson played…

Leaving aside Evan and Baz, Theres a fair argument Troy and Andy O should have!
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Originally posted by BrendanD88 BrendanD88 wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

One last thought, with Moran on the pitch we win that game and probably guarantee ourselves 2nd at worst. Let's see how many minutes he gets tomorrow!

If Oscar Bobb played they win 6-2! These things even themselves out.

If Evan Ferguson played…
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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

One last thought, with Moran on the pitch we win that game and probably guarantee ourselves 2nd at worst. Let's see how many minutes he gets tomorrow!

If Oscar Bobb played they win 6-2! These things even themselves out.
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We saw enough of Kenny against Turkey to know that he's not good enough. Didn't need to see him again to learn that. Crazy decision to make that sub, but we all know we're playing this campaign with one hand tied behind our backs with Jim Crawford managing the team.
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Originally posted by 10 Box 10 Box wrote:

Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

One last thought, with Moran on the pitch we win that game and probably guarantee ourselves 2nd at worst. Let's see how many minutes he gets tomorrow!

Yeah? What score would we have won? 

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Originally posted by John Nice John Nice wrote:

One last thought, with Moran on the pitch we win that game and probably guarantee ourselves 2nd at worst. Let's see how many minutes he gets tomorrow!

Yeah? What score would we have won? 
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