Rocco Vata

Agents are obviously going to force a move to line their own pockets.

Green Cockade wrote: CAA Base are his new agents, they are one of the big ones and they will be aware of the interest clubs in other countries including England have in Vata. One year left on his contract so odds are against him staying with Celtic now, I would think.

Badgersboys9 wrote: Green Cockade wrote: CAA Base are his new agents, they are one of the big ones and they will be aware of the interest clubs in other countries including England have in Vata. One year left on his contract so odds are against him staying with Celtic now, I would think. I'd imagine so. He's nowhere near that level anyway.

Banana_RepublicFC wrote: Badgersboys9 wrote: Green Cockade wrote: CAA Base are his new agents, they are one of the big ones and they will be aware of the interest clubs in other countries including England have in Vata. One year left on his contract so odds are against him staying with Celtic now, I would think. I'd imagine so. He's nowhere near that level anyway. You don't rate him? He's only played 40 minutes worth of games at Celtic, and was robbed of a really good assist vs Kilmarnock by Oh.

It's not that I don't rate him. I don't think he's at the level to be making the Celtic first team and is better away.

You Tell Me wrote: Badgersboys9 wrote: Green Cockade wrote: CAA Base are his new agents, they are one of the big ones and they will be aware of the interest clubs in other countries including England have in Vata. One year left on his contract so odds are against him staying with Celtic now, I would think. I'd imagine so. He's nowhere near that level anyway. Of the three Albanian-Irish lads that have come through the age groups together he looks the best prospect by a distance at this point.

Wouldn't disagree. Still, nowhere near the level needed to be getting any sort of meaningful game-time at Celtic.

Banana_RepublicFC wrote: horsebox wrote: The guy has only just gone 18. Time is on his side. Definitely. But in recent times, teenagers are now breaking through younger and younger. They want exposure to senior football as soon as possible. A few examples: Donnarumma - Milan's #1 GK at the age of 16 Camavinga - MotM vs PSG at the age of 16 for Rennes Bellingham - 41 Championship games for Birmingham at the age of 16 Gavi - 21 caps for Spain at the age of 18 Musiala - One of Bayern's best players since the age of 17 Saka - Arsenal debut at the age of 17 Sancho - Regular starter for Dortmund at the age of 17 Mbappé - Key player for Ligue 1 winners, Monaco, at the age of 17 Haaland - Playing senior football since the age of 15 That's the way football is now. Rooney and Fábregas were rarities in the early 00's.

Yes it does appear as if the best players in world football quickly break into first team football.  Interesting. 

Banana_RepublicFC wrote: t_rAndy wrote: Banana_RepublicFC wrote: horsebox wrote: The guy has only just gone 18. Time is on his side. Definitely. But in recent times, teenagers are now breaking through younger and younger. They want exposure to senior football as soon as possible. A few examples: Donnarumma - Milan's #1 GK at the age of 16 Camavinga - MotM vs PSG at the age of 16 for Rennes Bellingham - 41 Championship games for Birmingham at the age of 16 Gavi - 21 caps for Spain at the age of 18 Musiala - One of Bayern's best players since the age of 17 Saka - Arsenal debut at the age of 17 Sancho - Regular starter for Dortmund at the age of 17 Mbappé - Key player for Ligue 1 winners, Monaco, at the age of 17 Haaland - Playing senior football since the age of 15 That's the way football is now. Rooney and Fábregas were rarities in the early 00's. You are naming mostly elite players there. The elite players are always more likely to be trusted much younger. Majority of footballers it doesn't work out like that. Depends on physicality and other factors as well like position.  There are literally dozens of examples of less high profile players playing regularly as teenagers also. Just some examples: Jason Knight - Regular starter for Derby since the age of 18 Alex Scott - Made his debut for Bristol City at the age of 17 Jordan James - Regular for Birmingham since the age of 17 Roméo Lavia - City debut at the age of 17 and now linked with Liverpool at 19 Wilfried Gnonto - Made his Basel debut at the age of 16 and Italy debut at 18 Giorgio Scalvini - Atalanta debut at the age of 17 and Italy debut at 18 It's very common to debut as teenager now. The days of learning your trade in the old reserves system are over. If anything the players who spend 2-3 season at PL2 level are only killing their own development. Rocco Vata can't spend another season playing for Celtic B. He needs exposure to senior football at some level.

 

Edited by kevin100 - 01 Aug 2023 at 4:15pm

Early breakthrough at 17/18 no garuntee of successful career, likes Jason Gavin, Keith Foy, Michael Keane (Preston), Billy Clarke, Owen Garvan etc didn’t get a cap between them despite early breakthrough at PL/CH level at 17/18. Further back to Andy Turner/Willie Boland. Always been teenagers breaking through, easier in 90s with less European places and less to play for majority of teams so always saw few players get run out towards end of season. Now with more money and more at stake only elite young players getting a game especially when lot to play for right up to last games. I think our young players are way behind in S&C compared to other 16/18 yrs olds who have been in their clubs academies and sub academies from 5/6 years old is the issue. They are playing catch up and their bodies not handling it. Similar to original Ronaldo, change of diet and more intense training meant his muscles and body grew at a faster pace in a short time frame and and his knee couldn’t cope with extra mass and caused his so much issues.

Edited by PaddyMaddenIsCounty! - 01 Aug 2023 at 4:40pm