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Bandwagon
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Back on the bench this afternoon
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J89
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Look to be playing a back three today.
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Greenie50
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Oh I'm on the verge of arguing for Kilkenny's inclusion too. As you say he's already shown himself very handy in the Championship (& in the right team will grow & grow), I just think his lack of games since January hurts his case. Had he gone on loan, even to League 1 like Coventry, then he'd have probably 15+ starts under his belt and would be in a much better position for pushing into the Ireland squad. Coventry had a tough time at Peterborough sure, but was that him struggling in the Championship or was that him in a team that was struggling in the Championship. I agree with YTM there, the overall level of the team needs to be taken into account there. Since going to MK Dons Coventry has started 22 games in a row, playing the full 90' in all but 1 (75' on his debut), and helped them push from 6th to almost securing automatic promotion. He did very well there. I think he'll get a good Championship loan next season. Hourihane being Cullens backup is a genuine worry. Cullen can't play every game, and Hourihane is just not good enough, we're going nowhere if we have to rely on him in important games. I would rather get Coventry in now & start blooding him. [/off topic] [on topic] How 'bout that Springett lad, eh? I hear he plays football or something...
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Hotlips_Hoolahan
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Cashin, Ebosele, Bagan and McLaughlin all came into struggling sides during the season and fared pretty well; McLaughlin was instrumental in Hull getting out of relegation trouble.
And I'd argue it's just as hard to come into a struggling side as a defender. And, yes, I know re: Ebosele.
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The Huntacha
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Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic."
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Greenie50
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On for the last 30' vs Spurs.
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Scissors Kick
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Isn't all that what was said about Idah two full years ago the last time they went down though ? |
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colemanY2K
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he has played a lot of senior football since at international and club level. more game time in the championship will do him the world of good.
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"One of the dominant facts in English life during the past three quarters of a century has been the decay of ability in the ruling class." Orwell, 1942.
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50%lesssugar&salt
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New manager in there as well, whom would appear to view Idah as a player that fits into his system.
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Scissors Kick
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Doesn't matter what age he was.
The positive spin effort here on our players getting relegated is laughable. It wasn't good news two years ago for Idah & its not good today. It means our guys are at poor club sides, whatever way you try to dress it up. We lost Long / Collins / Costelloe / Idah / Omobamidele and Springett from the top division today & we lost Robinson / O'Shea / Stevens & Egan this day last year, none of them are back up or any better for it. We need these guys kicking on in the Premier Division because its international football we're talking about, and players who can impact matches at that level we need to develop. Next season we'll have Doherty & Travers. Only. Anyone who thinks this is a good thing is talking out their green tinted hole
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Lojak18
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we are seriously lacking in players in top leagues next year alright, you would hope that some of the young lads will have good years and get promoted or a move to a top league.
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Bandwagon
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Its no harm for younger lads who are struggling to break into the side though. Collins, O'Shea and Omobamidele for example all made the break through for their clubs the season after they were relegated and playing in the Championship. So many players are Premier League players by name only and thats no use to anyone. Look at how Obamfemi and Dunne are doing since they dropped to the Championship this season having had so few chances previously in the Premier League with their former clubs.
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darman28
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Yes but Idah end up getting injured, twice, for a big of that 20/21 season in the Championship. Only playing 325 minutes of football that season because of his injuries and trying to regain match fitnees after them. Not the best example to use really.
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Het-field
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I’m less concerned about lads playing for the likes of Burnley or Norwich in the PL than maybe I was a year or two ago. The reality is, if like Norwich you’re getting pasted regularly that is not necessarily of benefit to anybody. Ogbene is playing League 1, and doesn’t look out of place in the international setup. Robinson became prolific at international level after relegation. Travers may not have got his shot without Bournemouth’s failure in 2021 to return to the PL. Jason Knight will has learned his trade in a relegation scrap in the championship. Cullen is playing outside of the UK, and in a League that wouldn’t be Top 5. As Bandwagon mentions, Obafemi has turned a corner since he left the PL.
We can assume that sharing a pitch for an afternoon with KDB or Salah or Ronaldo might be an excellent learning experience. But if the team you are playing with is no good, then it makes no difference as you never lay a glove on them. Perhaps it is time to accept that unless you are playing in the upper reaches of the PL regularly then it doesn’t make much of a difference if you are playing there insofar as it effects your international form.
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Scissors Kick
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I think Obafemi just copped himself on in the same way Connolly hasn't. Plus the Championship is a level down, lets not airbrush that out of the picture, what Dunne faces playing for QPR & what is expected of him ( and the others ) in that division is not ideal preparation for a match V a first or second seed to get to a finals with Ireland ( never mind being at an actual finals ) Everyone is on about green shoots, brighter future, but lets face it the collective trajectory of our young players remains downward, or certainly outside the elite. Have we given up on Irish talent getting in Premier club sides, staying in, doing well & even moving upwards from there ? It seems like we have & are putting the brightside of more playing time a division down on things. Jesus I even remember reading a few months back that Derby going into L1 would be good for Watson & Cashin and therefore good for Ireland. FFS like
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Scissors Kick
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Isn't that just quitting on getting back to where we were though ? We have to produce guys who are at that level, again, because two or three of those are the difference between qualifying and not, in group matches v elite sides. Its two or three, in some cases, years now since Collins / O'Shea / Omobamidele / Obamfemi / Parrott / Connolly / Molumby / Knight / Idah began to emerge and not one has established themselves in the top division, never mind kicked on up a level to a club playing Europa League even.
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KingKenny
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You've a list of fellas between 19-22. I think people forget how young they are because of how early they broke through to the the national team. There's very few teenagers playing regularly at those top levels anymore. Chelsea didn't give a single PL minute to a teenager this season. If in three years time they're all still at the same level you might have a point, but for now it's too early imo.
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Het-field
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But some of those lads are still very young, and in some cases Under 20. Some were also a product of fan hype during Kenny’s reign as Under 21 manager, hence the demands to put them in the team, no matter the outcome.
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