Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Roger Waters giving a Putin apologia speech at the UNSC today  horrible old man he is 

B6 6HE wrote: Does The Comedian spend any time in Ukraine these days? - I'd say so aye. At what point do the military experts expect Crimea to be liberated? - Don't know At what point will the Russian economy collapse? - Hard to know isn't it Has Putin been overthrown yet? - No Have Rissia run out of equipment yet? - Never heard of her

Artie Ziff wrote: Postcode by your logic Ukraine should have let Russia take over the country, Zelenski left on a plane on the first day and be an absentee leader and Europe to shrug their shoulders and go ah well Putin keep selling us your gas and let's carry one as before.

B6 6HE wrote: Artie Ziff wrote: Postcode by your logic Ukraine should have let Russia take over the country, Zelenski left on a plane on the first day and be an absentee leader and Europe to shrug their shoulders and go ah well Putin keep selling us your gas and let's carry one as before.  My point is that in order to achieve peace we must compromise  Russian military strength has been massively underestimated  How many men could Europe mobilise tomorrow hypothetically? The terms of the Minsk agreement in 2014 were not adhered to Russian speakers have suffered huge discrimination under this regime We must recognise these grievances. Additionally ,  the annexed areas are majority Russian.  This is a fact. America have no interest in peace. Europe must be a broker of peace not an American pawn. Levels of poverty in Europe have sky rocketed due to these sanctions

It’s interesting to see the likes of John McDonnell pointing out that assisting Ukraine is now necessary. The remaining ‘peace and neutrality -mongers’ are really being shown up as being ideological shills hiding behind a fig-leaf of ‘peace and neutrality’, while happily trotting out the tired tropes of Russia ‘intervening’ on behalf of ethnic minorities non-existent provocation, and the usual cries of conspiracy about the Western media, NATO, and the USA. It’s extremely transparent, most notably because it’s the same individuals, treading the same path, with the same narrative.

Edited by Het-field - 10 Feb 2023 at 2:17pm

To say the peace would be ‘imperfect’ would be an understatement. The aggressor (Russia) would have, through use of military force, forced Ukraine to hand over territory, agree to stay out of any entangling alliances, and weakened sovereignty in the region. Rather than deterring Russia (in a similar way to Daytona not deterring Slobodan and his merry men), it would encourage them to continue this approach in the future to weaken, neuter, and indirectly control sovereign states.

MayoMark wrote: Honestly the best path to peace is give Russia what they want. Sure it's not like they'll just do it again down the line.  Peace

Why does the Geneva convention and "war crimes" apply to a country being invaded? Russia invading and continuing to invade is the only war crime here. As long as a Russian soldier is on Ukrainian soil there shouldn't be any protections for them. This isn't a war between 2 countries who agreed to it on neutral soil. Load of bollocks.

eireland wrote: Why does the Geneva convention and "war crimes" apply to a country being invaded? Russia invading and continuing to invade is the only war crime here. As long as a Russian soldier is on Ukrainian soil there shouldn't be any protections for them. This isn't a war between 2 countries who agreed to it on neutral soil. Load of bollocks.