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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:

Originally posted by B6 6HE B6 6HE wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Putin massively upping the antie this morning. 300k reserves called up to the army 

Getting scary now.

Its a huge gamble. Civilians come back in coffins and his popularity will turn sour. He wins and he's a hero.

We need sensible diplomacy. This Big Man crap on either side is disastrous. 



Couldn't agree more. It wont end well. 


do you honestly think it will end well if the west rolled over and let putin take ukraine? pay attention, he wants to recreate a new russian empire which incorporates ukraine, the baltics, poland, georgia etc. etc. they've been banging on about it on russian state tv for months!

i can't believe this needs to be repeated, the ukrainians are fighting for all of us. the defeat of the russian army in ukraine will ensure europeans can live in peace for another half century at least. roll over to a bully and he'll maul you!

...just because we're on the western fringes of europe doesn't insulate us from the fallout of a russian victory in ukraine.

And it won't insulate us from the fall out of a nuclear war


We edge ever closer to nuclear war.


History will not judge current political leaders well in such a scenario. 






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Think the whole point is there will be nobody around to judge anybody if such a scenario plays out.
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Over a thousand arrested in Moscow protests. 

Why didn't they care enough to protest last week before forced mobilisation? 



It's very easy to judge people in a country that will send you to jail for a long time or to Ukraine sat in the comfort of a safe country. Would you be out protesting in the middle of Moscow knowing what the consequences would be? 
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Originally posted by Roberto_Carlow Roberto_Carlow wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Over a thousand arrested in Moscow protests. 

Why didn't they care enough to protest last week before forced mobilisation? 



It's very easy to judge people in a country that will send you to jail for a long time or to Ukraine sat in the comfort of a safe country. Would you be out protesting in the middle of Moscow knowing what the consequences would be? 

100%!

Had some clown on here recently saying all Russian people were in someway accountable.
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A lot of very dangerous windows in Russia. The HSA need to be called in 
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What's all the talk of nuclear war? Surely any nuclear fallout with winds etc. would blow into Russian territory too?
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Originally posted by Cabra Hoop Cabra Hoop wrote:

Thamks for that....we'll  see how it pans out....my hunch is it'll end  internally in Russia 


Lots of fellas falling down stairs, or falling from heights at the moment it seems
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Originally posted by B6 6HE B6 6HE wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

Originally posted by Deane Deane wrote:

Originally posted by B6 6HE B6 6HE wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:

Putin massively upping the antie this morning. 300k reserves called up to the army 

Getting scary now.

Its a huge gamble. Civilians come back in coffins and his popularity will turn sour. He wins and he's a hero.

We need sensible diplomacy. This Big Man crap on either side is disastrous. 



Couldn't agree more. It wont end well. 


do you honestly think it will end well if the west rolled over and let putin take ukraine? pay attention, he wants to recreate a new russian empire which incorporates ukraine, the baltics, poland, georgia etc. etc. they've been banging on about it on russian state tv for months!

i can't believe this needs to be repeated, the ukrainians are fighting for all of us. the defeat of the russian army in ukraine will ensure europeans can live in peace for another half century at least. roll over to a bully and he'll maul you!

...just because we're on the western fringes of europe doesn't insulate us from the fallout of a russian victory in ukraine.

And it won't insulate us from the fall out of a nuclear war


We edge ever closer to nuclear war.


History will not judge current political leaders well in such a scenario. 


There will be no history. if there was only a few nuclear bomb dropped it would be the end of most of our civilisation. In a year most people and animals on the plant will have died from starvation. 


If you skip the 8th minute a scenario where Pakistan and India use their weapons explains it would devastate the whole world. India and Pakistan have a tiny amount of nuclear weapons. 







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With Russia mobilising what will ultimately be ill equipped, badly trained and demotivated soldier's the potential losses from this war could end up over 200k. Currently at close to 60k. 
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They are recruiting 1million. It seems they are lying about the 300k figure. 

If they decide the hold what they have for the winter. In 6 months they could have 200k more trained soldiers ready. This is only going to get a lot more uglier and deadlier. 


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https://youtu.be/HravTYSIVu4

Really interesting 
They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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Originally posted by Artie Ziff Artie Ziff wrote:

They are recruiting 1million. It seems they are lying about the 300k figure. 

If they decide the hold what they have for the winter. In 6 months they could have 200k more trained soldiers ready. This is only going to get a lot more uglier and deadlier. 




from what i've seen online it appears an umitigated disaster is about unfold for the russians. the 200k will not be properly trained soldiers, more like 200k drunks with weapons.

these ill equipped half starved recruits will surrender en masse when faced with battle hardened nato supplied ukrainians. the winter is going to be horrendous for the russians, thousands will freeze to death.


Edited by colemanY2K - 23 Sep 2022 at 10:13pm
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To be fair with the losses Russia is suffering Putin had to choices. Either mobilisation or collapse. He clearly isn't willing to give up before playing his trump card which is cutting off gas for the winter. He transferred 5000 soldier's from Syria recently aswell. 

Lend lease is starting in a week. Hopefully some big announcements from the yanks.



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Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

do you honestly think it will end well if the west rolled over and let putin take ukraine? pay attention, he wants to recreate a new russian empire which incorporates ukraine, the baltics, poland, georgia etc. etc. they've been banging on about it on russian state tv for months!

i can't believe this needs to be repeated, the ukrainians are fighting for all of us. the defeat of the russian army in ukraine will ensure europeans can live in peace for another half century at least. roll over to a bully and he'll maul you!

...just because we're on the western fringes of europe doesn't insulate us from the fallout of a russian victory in ukraine.

Whatever way this ends, Putin will claim victory, as will Zelensky. 

Let's be clear. There are no winners here. What there will be is a resigned acceptance of the least worst option. Thousands of people have already lost their lives, thousands more will in the future, who could have made a big contribution to life in either country lost needlessly because one man wants the Soviet Union back. But that's nothing compared to the millions that will lose their lives if we see Hiroshima tactics activated. 

The threat of it is real. If anywhere in our neighbourhood is struck in such a way, we in Ireland have a serious problem. While the West needs to ask itself, is the loss of 4 Ukrainian provinces few of us will ever see, let alone visit, worth the fallout from a major incident at the Zaporozhia nuclear plant, or a nuclear device lobbed in the general direction of Berlin, London or Washington? 

As for the Russian people themselves, they're not to blame for all this and should not be held responsible. They're not allowed to protest as they know who they're dealing with. Or trying to. 
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There is a lot of winners if Putin is defeated, including his own population.
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Originally posted by planning planning wrote:

Originally posted by colemanY2K colemanY2K wrote:

do you honestly think it will end well if the west rolled over and let putin take ukraine? pay attention, he wants to recreate a new russian empire which incorporates ukraine, the baltics, poland, georgia etc. etc. they've been banging on about it on russian state tv for months!

i can't believe this needs to be repeated, the ukrainians are fighting for all of us. the defeat of the russian army in ukraine will ensure europeans can live in peace for another half century at least. roll over to a bully and he'll maul you!

...just because we're on the western fringes of europe doesn't insulate us from the fallout of a russian victory in ukraine.

Whatever way this ends, Putin will claim victory, as will Zelensky. 

Let's be clear. There are no winners here. What there will be is a resigned acceptance of the least worst option. Thousands of people have already lost their lives, thousands more will in the future, who could have made a big contribution to life in either country lost needlessly because one man wants the Soviet Union back. But that's nothing compared to the millions that will lose their lives if we see Hiroshima tactics activated. 

The threat of it is real. If anywhere in our neighbourhood is struck in such a way, we in Ireland have a serious problem. While the West needs to ask itself, is the loss of 4 Ukrainian provinces few of us will ever see, let alone visit, worth the fallout from a major incident at the Zaporozhia nuclear plant, or a nuclear device lobbed in the general direction of Berlin, London or Washington? 

As for the Russian people themselves, they're not to blame for all this and should not be held responsible. They're not allowed to protest as they know who they're dealing with. Or trying to. 


putin's position is very much under threat now. there's no guarantee he will survive this catastrophe.

the death of thousands of people to date is abhorrent but to say compromise or appeasement should be sought, which you are, to avoid a nuclear attack where milions of lives are lost is to assume the man in the kremlin is willing to sacrifice himself. nearly every sane military analyst is in agreement there is little to no risk of putin using a nuclear weapon...as to do so, even a small tactical nuclear weapon, would open pandoras box which no one and i mean no one in russia wants to do including putin.

for mafioso dons its all about survival.
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I personally think if Putin used just 1 small nuke on Ukraine NATO would directly join the conflict and start attacking the Russians there. Both sides nukes would be on high nuclear alert but whether either side then went a step further and launched nukes at eachother I have my doubts. 

I also highly doubt Putin would ever nuke Ukraine. Imagine Latvia started invading part of Russia. Would they nuke Latvia? Of course not. That's the ultimate OG as the nuclear fallout would spread into Russia itself. 

The same with Ukraine. If they nuke anywhere near Kyiv or the frontlines the fallout can blow over Belarus, Russia, the separatist region's, turkey etc. I'd imagine turkey wouldn't be long joining the Ukrainians if a load of radiation spread over it. It just doesn't make any sense to nuke. But it makes perfect sense to talk about nukes and scare your enemies from making moves.
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Ukraine received NASAMS. An important milestone. 

A bit of a coincidence they come after Iran supplied drones. A direct response or would this have happened now anyway?
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