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The GerK
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Putin has shown 'peace agreement' he says is signed by Ukraine.all was done last year, he says, until Boris rode into town.
Interesting video from that lad James O'Keefe with a BlackRock official. Ukraine war is good for them and they don't want peace. |
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MayoMark
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Russia could just go home
Why on earth is it up to Ukraine to agree to peace by giving away massive chunks of their territory to an absolute abhorrent enemy?
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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The GerK
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All wars end with peace talks and Ukraine has categorically ruled that out as have, it would seem, America.
Meanwhile, thousands die. Edited by The GerK - 21 Jun 2023 at 1:30pm |
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MayoMark
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And Russia?
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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The GerK
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Russia what?
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nvidic
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They haven't though, they ruled them out until Russia pulls back from Ukrainian land, or agrees to do so.
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Het-field
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WWII had numerous surrenders. Germany were pushed all the way back across Europe and Japan’s hand was forced on an unconditional basis through nuclear warfare. The armistice after WW1 was so imperfect it caused another World War. And Russia’s idea of ‘peace’ is bogus. It would involve them withdrawing provided the map is redrawn and the sovereignty of Ukraine being heavily compromised.
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The GerK
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Back to my first post. Ukraine agreed to the deal but withdrew after western interference. They were happy to sign a deal that ceded some land and agreed to no Nato. They deemed this in the best interests of Ukraine. But Nato did not.
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MayoMark
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You are suggesting that the only obstacle to leave is Ukraine and the US. And not the actual aggressor?
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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The GerK
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In the case in point, yes. If true, deal was done. See above post
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MayoMark
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I don't believe him well. I think it's far more likely that he is full of sh*t.
Ukraine should negotiate when they feel it's appropriate. If they feel that they can't negotiate in good faith with the very people who have brutally murdered thousands of their population including children, then that's fair enough. Again, Russia can go home and there will be peace. It's not reasonable to assert that Ukraine should give up their territory for some version of Russian sanctioned peace. Until the next time Russia rolls into town to murder their children
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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The GerK
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I'm sure the document which he says is signed by Kiev is easy to verify or debunk. BJ also on record at the time saying it wasn't a good time for peace. As I said, if Ukraine were happy with agreement, why change heart after western interference. And as my second video suggests, this war is great business for the powerful financial institutes in America.
Edited by The GerK - 21 Jun 2023 at 2:04pm |
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Het-field
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America. Blah, blah, blah, blah. We know about the military industrial complex, we know about the predilection towards intervention, and we know about illegal warfare and American responsibility. But that's generally irrelevant here, as it was Russia that unilaterally invaded a neighbouring country, having done so nine years previously, without sanction. The easiest explanation is that Russia tried to take the same approach as they did in 2014, only this time they were met with resistance from Ukraine and the international community. They expected to invade, make their demands, and have them met. In short, 'give us what we want, we'll leave, and people won't die.' Thats state terrorism.
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The GerK
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Not denying any of that but my point was a deal was done, if true, and signed by Kiev. But it'snot what Nato wanted
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Het-field
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First, this claim of a historic deal being ready to sign seems to be put forward by the Russian administration. At the time, there was no suggestion of a concrete peace deal being hammered out, let alone being signed. Putin frantically waiving around a piece of inkjet paper with text on it means nothing. In fact, in April 2022 Lavrov announced that a peace deal put forward by Ukraine was deemed unacceptable, and therefore rejected. So it is on record that Russia won't accept an imperfect peace (from their point of view). That part will be forgotten.
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The GerK
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I'm sure the agreement can be verified or debunked easily enough.
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Het-field
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Well it starts to lose any credibility when the first time we hear about 'it' is when Putin is waving 'it' about, and blaming Bojo for its collapse.
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Roberto_Carlow
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I would 100% believe everything Putin says. He doesn't exactly have a history of making misleading statements.
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