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reported by western media. 2 ukranian security officials were arrested. Wouldn't take this story at face value myself



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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

It’s being widely reported that Kiev has foiled a Russia plot to assassinate Zelensky and two high ranking Ukrainian government officials.
Obviously wanted a big celebration for May 9th. I don't think it would be the best move for Russia. He could be replaced by someone fresh with renewed drive. It would shock the world and ultimately lead to Ukraine getting more military aid as retaliation. And it could galvanise Ukrainians even more. 
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It’s being widely reported that Kiev has foiled a Russia plot to assassinate Zelensky and two high ranking Ukrainian government officials.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OohAah... Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2024 at 8:25pm
Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

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lads I'll park it for the weekend and wish ye a happy bank holiday 

But thought I'd share this to give ye a laugh
Do they not pay for your posts on bank holidays?

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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

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lads I'll park it for the weekend and wish ye a happy bank holiday 

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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

lads I'll park it for the weekend and wish ye a happy bank holiday 

But thought I'd share this to give ye a laugh
Do they not pay for your posts on bank holidays?

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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eireland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2024 at 11:38am
Ohhh AHH are you blind? On those maps you posted Russia lost huge areas? The majority of Kharkiv they occupied and everything they held across the Dnipro including Kherson. Since those losses Russia have made a 0.01% net gain. 



Here's a hint why Russian energy profits have plummeted. Revenue can still be substantial but profit is what matters.

2021 the last year pre war Gazprom made a $31BN profit. Last year they made a $7BN loss. That's a net loss of $38BN loss! 


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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

the more I dig the more I finds stuff like kylee smith's analysis 

And yet it constantly returns to the Nuland call as the “smoking gun.” It’s deflectionary, and returns to the same tired narrative that is always the US.

It's mentioned but not hung on the point

It's not always the US but as I've always said they were on the ground for a long time in Ukraine

The call has been repeated as evidence of meddling when it’s nothing of the sort. One comment related to Kiltchsko and his lack of experience. In another post on quora, the author states a belief that the conflict is 90% not the responsibility of Russia. Her credibility is shot at this point, as you can’t claim to be “neutral” and then heavily weight responsibility in one direction, which is exactly what she has done.

And yet it's hard to argue with any of the points she makes in her analysis

In fact, it’s very easy. I’m not disputing historical CIA involvement in other parts of the world. But again, he analysis is 2+2 = 5, and then ties the conclusion by massively overblowing the consequences of the Nuland call. Russia is responsible here, and it responsible for the failure to resolve the protests in 2014, though a direct threat to the Ukrainian authority. Equally you’ll note she avoids the question of how people came to the protest in the first place, which is critical to the agency of the Maidan protestors, in a country that had a recent history of anti-Government protest. Like I said, the analyser has also concluded that Russia is 90% not responsible. That is a bizarre take, particularly when Russia’s fingerprints are all over the conflict, not least as they are the invaders. 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

the more I dig the more I finds stuff like kylee smith's analysis 

And yet it constantly returns to the Nuland call as the “smoking gun.” It’s deflectionary, and returns to the same tired narrative that is always the US.

It's mentioned but not hung on the point

It's not always the US but as I've always said they were on the ground for a long time in Ukraine

The call has been repeated as evidence of meddling when it’s nothing of the sort. One comment related to Kiltchsko and his lack of experience. In another post on quora, the author states a belief that the conflict is 90% not the responsibility of Russia. Her credibility is shot at this point, as you can’t claim to be “neutral” and then heavily weight responsibility in one direction, which is exactly what she has done.

And yet it's hard to argue with any of the points she makes in her analysis
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

the more I dig the more I finds stuff like kylee smith's analysis 

And yet it constantly returns to the Nuland call as the “smoking gun.” It’s deflectionary, and returns to the same tired narrative that is always the US.

It's mentioned but not hung on the point

It's not always the US but as I've always said they were on the ground for a long time in Ukraine

The call has been repeated as evidence of meddling when it’s nothing of the sort. One comment related to Kiltchsko and his lack of experience. In another post on quora, the author states a belief that the conflict is 90% not the responsibility of Russia. Her credibility is shot at this point, as you can’t claim to be “neutral” and then heavily weight responsibility in one direction, which is exactly what she has done.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

the more I dig the more I finds stuff like kylee smith's analysis 

And yet it constantly returns to the Nuland call as the “smoking gun.” It’s deflectionary, and returns to the same tired narrative that is always the US.

It's mentioned but not hung on the point

It's not always the US but as I've always said they were on the ground for a long time in Ukraine
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

the more I dig the more I finds stuff like kylee smith's analysis 

And yet it constantly returns to the Nuland call as the “smoking gun.” It’s deflectionary, and returns to the same tired narrative that is always the US.
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the more I dig the more I finds stuff like kylee smith's analysis 
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

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grand we will beg to.differ how the mortal enemy of Russia, with motivation to ruin Russia, and on the ground in ukranian affairs for the last 20 years and before had zero impact on the political course of thebukraine

Ah so that’s basically your angle, “no smoke without fire”. When there are clear facts that Russia exacerbated tensions in 2013-2014, and kyboshed a potentially peaceful resolution when Yanukovich and the Opposition were actually hammering something out.

No different from nulamd being on the ground on one side. Meddling
No.differnt than decades of funding western think tanks over there
Nor alleged cia involvement in the protests.

2 empires playing a game

Yes, it’s different. It is blatantly different. Russia actively intervened to prolong the protests by threatening the economy. Russia also actively invaded Crimea at the time. It is chalk and cheese. Russia used its financial bailout to manipulate the situation. 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

grand we will beg to.differ how the mortal enemy of Russia, with motivation to ruin Russia, and on the ground in ukranian affairs for the last 20 years and before had zero impact on the political course of thebukraine

Ah so that’s basically your angle, “no smoke without fire”. When there are clear facts that Russia exacerbated tensions in 2013-2014, and kyboshed a potentially peaceful resolution when Yanukovich and the Opposition were actually hammering something out.

No different from nulamd being on the ground on one side. Meddling
No.differnt than decades of funding western think tanks over there
Nor alleged cia involvement in the protests.

2 empires playing a game
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

grand we will beg to.differ how the mortal enemy of Russia, with motivation to ruin Russia, and on the ground in ukranian affairs for the last 20 years and before had zero impact on the political course of thebukraine

Ah so that’s basically your angle, “no smoke without fire”. When there are clear facts that Russia exacerbated tensions in 2013-2014, and kyboshed a potentially peaceful resolution when Yanukovich and the Opposition were actually hammering something out.
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