Russian Invasion of Ukraine

I did ask last week where poeple got their references. Ive generally provided mine. I get alot of the war updates from the Geopolitical podcast the Duran

OohAah... wrote: I did ask last week where poeple got their references. Ive generally provided mine. I get alot of the war updates from the Geopolitical podcast the Duran I would class it as Anti Western. But I have yet to find fault facutally in anything covered. They have extensive interviews with the likes of Chomsky and Sachs but also the likes of ex US/UK Generals. The common narrative never shifts much across any of these interviews. For Balance its worth checking out. They do about 3 to 4 podcasts a week. I dont expect ayone to listen back to them all. But their updates tend to contrast with what I hear from western media and bear out to be truer in the long run.

"40%-45% of those who left in 2022 have returned to Russia. Reverse migration has likely added between one-fifth and one-third to Russia’s 3.6% annual economic growth in 2023."

Edited by eireland - 02 May 2024 at 7:06pm

Het-field wrote: OohAah... wrote: I did ask last week where poeple got their references. Ive generally provided mine. I get alot of the war updates from the Geopolitical podcast the Duran I would class it as Anti Western. But I have yet to find fault facutally in anything covered. They have extensive interviews with the likes of Chomsky and Sachs but also the likes of ex US/UK Generals. The common narrative never shifts much across any of these interviews. For Balance its worth checking out. They do about 3 to 4 podcasts a week. I dont expect ayone to listen back to them all. But their updates tend to contrast with what I hear from western media and bear out to be truer in the long run. I turned on the Duran’s podcast today, and who was on it only Aaron Mate a key person of “The Grayzone.” If you’re not familiar with the Grayzone it might be worth looking them up. Much of the standard lines of the tankie about the Assad Regime, the treatment of the Uyghurs in China, and the war in Ukraine. Plenty of sympathy for the Maduro regime too in Venezuela.

OohAah... wrote: Het-field wrote: OohAah... wrote: I did ask last week where poeple got their references. Ive generally provided mine. I get alot of the war updates from the Geopolitical podcast the Duran I would class it as Anti Western. But I have yet to find fault facutally in anything covered. They have extensive interviews with the likes of Chomsky and Sachs but also the likes of ex US/UK Generals. The common narrative never shifts much across any of these interviews. For Balance its worth checking out. They do about 3 to 4 podcasts a week. I dont expect ayone to listen back to them all. But their updates tend to contrast with what I hear from western media and bear out to be truer in the long run. I turned on the Duran’s podcast today, and who was on it only Aaron Mate a key person of “The Grayzone.” If you’re not familiar with the Grayzone it might be worth looking them up. Much of the standard lines of the tankie about the Assad Regime, the treatment of the Uyghurs in China, and the war in Ukraine. Plenty of sympathy for the Maduro regime too in Venezuela. Maybe I picked a bad day to convince you Whats  a Tankie? Probably best to steer away from getting into any of the weeds of other conflicts/situations and I dont know much of them. But I will say that other regimes might be horrible dictatorships but the Western narrative sometimes can be over simplified and stuff missed as to how situations were handled or made worse by west intervention. Maybe lets not call it west intervention. US intervention.

eireland wrote: I'll sum it up for you OhhAhh.  West - Coonts  East - Coonts  The only debate is which is more cultish. In the case of Ukraine it's the East in other conflicts it's the West. The loser's are the nations who are too small not to be bullied. In other news...

Het-field wrote: OohAah... wrote: Okay so now I know what a Tankie is. I for one wouldnt subscribe to a politicol ideaology and I am gobsmacked by people (sometime quite smart people ) are. As for the other siutations the only thing I would add is again the West(US) have footprints of involvement in other sovereign nations affairs or dictating to them what their actions should or should not be. And it is always with the US interests benefit in mind. How does the US impact the mistreatment of the repressed population in China? Or how does the US impact the chemical weapons attack that was perpetrated against the population in Douma? My view is there was a period where American intervention was both necessary and successful. It lost its way heinously 20 years ago. And thereafter it has been a mess. But there are other responsible parties, and other with greater responsibility that the US. Who backs the Assad regime? It’s Russia and Putin!

Edited by OohAah... - 03 May 2024 at 10:26am

which brings me to back to US dicating to other sovereign nations what they should do. China are a threat to the US in atleast as financial top dog in the world because of their massive manufacturing base. US dont like this and will do everything to suppress chinas financial progress. This goes back to Vietnam, some can say it was political ideaology, communism versus capitalism. But what does that mean, its pureley finanical, the US believe in private ownership and china beleievd in no ownership. The rich elite were threatened with what they could own/earn. The rich elite run the US.

Het-field wrote: OohAah... wrote: which brings me to back to US dicating to other sovereign nations what they should do. China are a threat to the US in atleast as financial top dog in the world because of their massive manufacturing base. US dont like this and will do everything to suppress chinas financial progress. This goes back to Vietnam, some can say it was political ideaology, communism versus capitalism. But what does that mean, its pureley finanical, the US believe in private ownership and china beleievd in no ownership. The rich elite were threatened with what they could own/earn. The rich elite run the US. Yes china human rights brutal. but thats not why america rage against them in truth. Want proof? If it was the US would rage against Saudi Arabia and Israel. But they dont cos those countries arent a threat to them financially And taking that to its logical conclusion, you shouldn’t be “both siding” the conflict in Ukraine. Why should Russia flex its military muscle in order to strong-arm a sovereign state into making geo-political decisions ‘advantageous’ to Russia. I’m not here to defend the US. I’m not. But this leads back to the original discussion we’ve been having. Simply because the US “have form” it doesn’t explain the Russian invasion in Ukraine. In order to do so you either need to extrapolate far more from certain facts than is reasonable, or buy into narratives of people like Chomsky who are the patron saints of US centrism (I.e. every action is somehow related to America).