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 Posted: 25 Apr 2024 at 9:43pm |
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thay may be the case but the notion thay America had zero influence in Ukraine pre invasion is wrong |
And yet it doesn’t explain, or justify what has happened in the meantime. There is influence and there is influence. Russia wasn’t even meddling, it was exercising indirect control and went rogue when it lost that indirect control. |
Im not justifying it. And Im glad you can accept the US had a certain influence. We wont biother quantifying influence. However it does all tie into the counter narrative that Ukraine even up to this point was a Free hit of a bet for the military complex in the States. I do think their is a notion in the US of wiping Russias power off the map and they didnt expect Russia to be as resilient or aggressive in the face of US led might. So all they can do now is double down on the approach and make more arms and profit from them. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians couldve Here is the post. You say “we won’t bother quantifying influence”. Why so? Surely it is necessary to discuss degrees and levels of involvement? |
Thats fine I do rememeber it , and I just thought it was one of those pointless abstract elements which will just go around in circles. But I really wasnt trying to run away from it. If you want We can have a go off it |
There is a world of difference between the type of control the Kremlin was exerting over Ukraine in 2013, and any level of US involvement. One was dictating foreign policy in default of the will of the public. This default caused mass protests, and Russia responded by trying to annex parts of Ukraine, as it no longer had indirect control of the incumbents of Ukrainian power. A few CIA intelligence agents (invited in on the back of Russian invasion), and some comments by US politicians is a long way from what Russia was doing. And how Russia responded once the population ousted Yanukovich is telling about how little they respect democracy, or Ukrainian agency. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians arguably were worse?
Just to add a bit of meat
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That’s not really a question. The Russians were totally worse. An easy example is Belarus, which geographically would be advantageous to control. The truth is, thanks to Lukashenko they don’t have to worry. Why couldn’t Russia accept the democratic will of the people in 2013 and let them live peacefully, as was effectively mandated by Budapest.
And the Ted Galen Carpenter article doesn’t add to what we have discussed already. Although I found it amusing he self references to make his point. I wonder if the Donkey will be in to criticise the use of an article from a think tank that was heavily linked to the Koch brothers, conservative america, and right wing libertarianism.
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And that's why it's a perfect example of a view from another side. The more diverse backgrounds are the closer to the truth we can get to Is it not okay to align differently to the western worlds politics as in Belarus?
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Posted: 25 Apr 2024 at 9:45pm |
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There are plenty of articles on the matter but you should do your research. I'm happy to allow you play the useful idiot for Russia. You clearly enjoy the role so I won't end your fantasy. |
Just cos you don't like my viewpoint does not mean I'm a parrots for Russia
I shared 1narticle from cnn earlier to back my point. You shared nothing. You have no basis
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Posted: 25 Apr 2024 at 9:53pm |
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thay may be the case but the notion thay America had zero influence in Ukraine pre invasion is wrong |
And yet it doesn’t explain, or justify what has happened in the meantime. There is influence and there is influence. Russia wasn’t even meddling, it was exercising indirect control and went rogue when it lost that indirect control. |
Im not justifying it. And Im glad you can accept the US had a certain influence. We wont biother quantifying influence. However it does all tie into the counter narrative that Ukraine even up to this point was a Free hit of a bet for the military complex in the States. I do think their is a notion in the US of wiping Russias power off the map and they didnt expect Russia to be as resilient or aggressive in the face of US led might. So all they can do now is double down on the approach and make more arms and profit from them. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians couldve Here is the post. You say “we won’t bother quantifying influence”. Why so? Surely it is necessary to discuss degrees and levels of involvement? |
Thats fine I do rememeber it , and I just thought it was one of those pointless abstract elements which will just go around in circles. But I really wasnt trying to run away from it. If you want We can have a go off it |
There is a world of difference between the type of control the Kremlin was exerting over Ukraine in 2013, and any level of US involvement. One was dictating foreign policy in default of the will of the public. This default caused mass protests, and Russia responded by trying to annex parts of Ukraine, as it no longer had indirect control of the incumbents of Ukrainian power. A few CIA intelligence agents (invited in on the back of Russian invasion), and some comments by US politicians is a long way from what Russia was doing. And how Russia responded once the population ousted Yanukovich is telling about how little they respect democracy, or Ukrainian agency. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians arguably were worse?
Just to add a bit of meat
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That’s not really a question. The Russians were totally worse. An easy example is Belarus, which geographically would be advantageous to control. The truth is, thanks to Lukashenko they don’t have to worry. Why couldn’t Russia accept the democratic will of the people in 2013 and let them live peacefully, as was effectively mandated by Budapest.
And the Ted Galen Carpenter article doesn’t add to what we have discussed already. Although I found it amusing he self references to make his point. I wonder if the Donkey will be in to criticise the use of an article from a think tank that was heavily linked to the Koch brothers, conservative america, and right wing libertarianism.
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And that's why it's a perfect example of a view from another side. The more diverse backgrounds are the closer to the truth we can get to Is it not okay to align differently to the western worlds politics as in Belarus? |
Belarus can align itself as it wishes. On the other hand, so does Ukraine, without Russia flexing its muscle to engender outcomes.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2024 at 10:59pm |
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There are plenty of articles on the matter but you should do your research. I'm happy to allow you play the useful idiot for Russia. You clearly enjoy the role so I won't end your fantasy. |
Just cos you don't like my viewpoint does not mean I'm a parrots for Russia
I shared 1narticle from cnn earlier to back my point. You shared nothing. You have no basis |
Nothing stopping you googling what the interest rate is in Russia, what inflation is, what their currency value, the labour shortage, their ageing population, their budget deficit. The increased costs of exporting, the drop in their oil and gas exports. It's all a simple search away. For a lad who talks so much about this surely you'd want to educate yourself?
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 9:35am |
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There are plenty of articles on the matter but you should do your research. I'm happy to allow you play the useful idiot for Russia. You clearly enjoy the role so I won't end your fantasy. |
Just cos you don't like my viewpoint does not mean I'm a parrots for Russia
I shared 1narticle from cnn earlier to back my point. You shared nothing. You have no basis |
Nothing stopping you googling what the interest rate is in Russia, what inflation is, what their currency value, the labour shortage, their ageing population, their budget deficit. The increased costs of exporting, the drop in their oil and gas exports. It's all a simple search away. For a lad who talks so much about this surely you'd want to educate yourself? |
I prefer to refer to online articles from wide range of sources than the steam off my own piss or some lad doing pub talk on a forum. And Im not an economist. and when I make a point I try to back it up to show its not my opinion its based on more informed peoples work... As oppossed to just spouting my own opinion. So let me spell it out to you
But then again Im undecuated.
So this particular tangent was taken as you siad their economy is on a downard spiral as a basis to say Russia had miscalculated the war. I have provided resources to yourself to say thats not what MSM is saying. You have spouted. I merely asked you to provide one article you based your argument on. You failed to do so.
Another point the drop in their oil and gas exports. But their hasnt been
So GDP is up and Mineral resources are up. And Ive provided resources to back my point
But then again Im uneducated spouting misinformation
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 9:37am |
Het-field wrote:
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Het-field wrote:
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Het-field wrote:
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Het-field wrote:
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thay may be the case but the notion thay America had zero influence in Ukraine pre invasion is wrong |
And yet it doesn’t explain, or justify what has happened in the meantime. There is influence and there is influence. Russia wasn’t even meddling, it was exercising indirect control and went rogue when it lost that indirect control. |
Im not justifying it. And Im glad you can accept the US had a certain influence. We wont biother quantifying influence. However it does all tie into the counter narrative that Ukraine even up to this point was a Free hit of a bet for the military complex in the States. I do think their is a notion in the US of wiping Russias power off the map and they didnt expect Russia to be as resilient or aggressive in the face of US led might. So all they can do now is double down on the approach and make more arms and profit from them. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians couldve Here is the post. You say “we won’t bother quantifying influence”. Why so? Surely it is necessary to discuss degrees and levels of involvement? |
Thats fine I do rememeber it , and I just thought it was one of those pointless abstract elements which will just go around in circles. But I really wasnt trying to run away from it. If you want We can have a go off it |
There is a world of difference between the type of control the Kremlin was exerting over Ukraine in 2013, and any level of US involvement. One was dictating foreign policy in default of the will of the public. This default caused mass protests, and Russia responded by trying to annex parts of Ukraine, as it no longer had indirect control of the incumbents of Ukrainian power. A few CIA intelligence agents (invited in on the back of Russian invasion), and some comments by US politicians is a long way from what Russia was doing. And how Russia responded once the population ousted Yanukovich is telling about how little they respect democracy, or Ukrainian agency. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians arguably were worse?
Just to add a bit of meat
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That’s not really a question. The Russians were totally worse. An easy example is Belarus, which geographically would be advantageous to control. The truth is, thanks to Lukashenko they don’t have to worry. Why couldn’t Russia accept the democratic will of the people in 2013 and let them live peacefully, as was effectively mandated by Budapest.
And the Ted Galen Carpenter article doesn’t add to what we have discussed already. Although I found it amusing he self references to make his point. I wonder if the Donkey will be in to criticise the use of an article from a think tank that was heavily linked to the Koch brothers, conservative america, and right wing libertarianism.
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And that's why it's a perfect example of a view from another side. The more diverse backgrounds are the closer to the truth we can get to Is it not okay to align differently to the western worlds politics as in Belarus? |
Belarus can align itself as it wishes. On the other hand, so does Ukraine, without Russia flexing its muscle to engender outcomes. |
So Are we happy with the article from the Conservative Cato institute as some sort of evidence of american meddling?
I agree, Im anti war, Im anti the invasion.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 9:41am |
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
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thay may be the case but the notion thay America had zero influence in Ukraine pre invasion is wrong |
And yet it doesn’t explain, or justify what has happened in the meantime. There is influence and there is influence. Russia wasn’t even meddling, it was exercising indirect control and went rogue when it lost that indirect control. |
Im not justifying it. And Im glad you can accept the US had a certain influence. We wont biother quantifying influence. However it does all tie into the counter narrative that Ukraine even up to this point was a Free hit of a bet for the military complex in the States. I do think their is a notion in the US of wiping Russias power off the map and they didnt expect Russia to be as resilient or aggressive in the face of US led might. So all they can do now is double down on the approach and make more arms and profit from them. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians couldve Here is the post. You say “we won’t bother quantifying influence”. Why so? Surely it is necessary to discuss degrees and levels of involvement? |
Thats fine I do rememeber it , and I just thought it was one of those pointless abstract elements which will just go around in circles. But I really wasnt trying to run away from it. If you want We can have a go off it |
There is a world of difference between the type of control the Kremlin was exerting over Ukraine in 2013, and any level of US involvement. One was dictating foreign policy in default of the will of the public. This default caused mass protests, and Russia responded by trying to annex parts of Ukraine, as it no longer had indirect control of the incumbents of Ukrainian power. A few CIA intelligence agents (invited in on the back of Russian invasion), and some comments by US politicians is a long way from what Russia was doing. And how Russia responded once the population ousted Yanukovich is telling about how little they respect democracy, or Ukrainian agency. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians arguably were worse?
Just to add a bit of meat
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That’s not really a question. The Russians were totally worse. An easy example is Belarus, which geographically would be advantageous to control. The truth is, thanks to Lukashenko they don’t have to worry. Why couldn’t Russia accept the democratic will of the people in 2013 and let them live peacefully, as was effectively mandated by Budapest.
And the Ted Galen Carpenter article doesn’t add to what we have discussed already. Although I found it amusing he self references to make his point. I wonder if the Donkey will be in to criticise the use of an article from a think tank that was heavily linked to the Koch brothers, conservative america, and right wing libertarianism.
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And that's why it's a perfect example of a view from another side. The more diverse backgrounds are the closer to the truth we can get to Is it not okay to align differently to the western worlds politics as in Belarus? |
Belarus can align itself as it wishes. On the other hand, so does Ukraine, without Russia flexing its muscle to engender outcomes. |
So Are we happy with the article from the Conservative Cato institute as some sort of evidence of american meddling?
I agree, Im anti war, Im anti the invasion. |
Is it? Like I said, a lot of self referencing, and alls a repetition of things we have discussed, such as Ukraine looking for help after the invasion of 2014.
The invasion should never have happened. The idea that Russian patience ran out (that’s what Ted Galen Carpenter seemed to say in another article I read) is redundant as they had already aggressively invaded in 2014.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 9:45am |
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
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Het-field wrote:
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thay may be the case but the notion thay America had zero influence in Ukraine pre invasion is wrong |
And yet it doesn’t explain, or justify what has happened in the meantime. There is influence and there is influence. Russia wasn’t even meddling, it was exercising indirect control and went rogue when it lost that indirect control. |
Im not justifying it. And Im glad you can accept the US had a certain influence. We wont biother quantifying influence. However it does all tie into the counter narrative that Ukraine even up to this point was a Free hit of a bet for the military complex in the States. I do think their is a notion in the US of wiping Russias power off the map and they didnt expect Russia to be as resilient or aggressive in the face of US led might. So all they can do now is double down on the approach and make more arms and profit from them. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians couldve Here is the post. You say “we won’t bother quantifying influence”. Why so? Surely it is necessary to discuss degrees and levels of involvement? |
Thats fine I do rememeber it , and I just thought it was one of those pointless abstract elements which will just go around in circles. But I really wasnt trying to run away from it. If you want We can have a go off it |
There is a world of difference between the type of control the Kremlin was exerting over Ukraine in 2013, and any level of US involvement. One was dictating foreign policy in default of the will of the public. This default caused mass protests, and Russia responded by trying to annex parts of Ukraine, as it no longer had indirect control of the incumbents of Ukrainian power. A few CIA intelligence agents (invited in on the back of Russian invasion), and some comments by US politicians is a long way from what Russia was doing. And how Russia responded once the population ousted Yanukovich is telling about how little they respect democracy, or Ukrainian agency. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians arguably were worse?
Just to add a bit of meat
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That’s not really a question. The Russians were totally worse. An easy example is Belarus, which geographically would be advantageous to control. The truth is, thanks to Lukashenko they don’t have to worry. Why couldn’t Russia accept the democratic will of the people in 2013 and let them live peacefully, as was effectively mandated by Budapest.
And the Ted Galen Carpenter article doesn’t add to what we have discussed already. Although I found it amusing he self references to make his point. I wonder if the Donkey will be in to criticise the use of an article from a think tank that was heavily linked to the Koch brothers, conservative america, and right wing libertarianism.
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And that's why it's a perfect example of a view from another side. The more diverse backgrounds are the closer to the truth we can get to Is it not okay to align differently to the western worlds politics as in Belarus? |
Belarus can align itself as it wishes. On the other hand, so does Ukraine, without Russia flexing its muscle to engender outcomes. |
So Are we happy with the article from the Conservative Cato institute as some sort of evidence of american meddling?
I agree, Im anti war, Im anti the invasion. |
Is it? Like I said, a lot of self referencing, and alls a repetition of things we have discussed, such as Ukraine looking for help after the invasion of 2014.
The invasion should never have happened. The idea that Russian patience ran out (that’s what Ted Galen Carpenter seemed to say in another article I read) is redundant as they had already aggressively invaded in 2014. |
Im not so sure about Aggression. They faced no resistance in Crimea. And did a civil war in eastern Ukraine not start about then?
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 9:49am |
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
Het-field wrote:
OohAah... wrote:
thay may be the case but the notion thay America had zero influence in Ukraine pre invasion is wrong |
And yet it doesn’t explain, or justify what has happened in the meantime. There is influence and there is influence. Russia wasn’t even meddling, it was exercising indirect control and went rogue when it lost that indirect control. |
Im not justifying it. And Im glad you can accept the US had a certain influence. We wont biother quantifying influence. However it does all tie into the counter narrative that Ukraine even up to this point was a Free hit of a bet for the military complex in the States. I do think their is a notion in the US of wiping Russias power off the map and they didnt expect Russia to be as resilient or aggressive in the face of US led might. So all they can do now is double down on the approach and make more arms and profit from them. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians couldve Here is the post. You say “we won’t bother quantifying influence”. Why so? Surely it is necessary to discuss degrees and levels of involvement? |
Thats fine I do rememeber it , and I just thought it was one of those pointless abstract elements which will just go around in circles. But I really wasnt trying to run away from it. If you want We can have a go off it |
There is a world of difference between the type of control the Kremlin was exerting over Ukraine in 2013, and any level of US involvement. One was dictating foreign policy in default of the will of the public. This default caused mass protests, and Russia responded by trying to annex parts of Ukraine, as it no longer had indirect control of the incumbents of Ukrainian power. A few CIA intelligence agents (invited in on the back of Russian invasion), and some comments by US politicians is a long way from what Russia was doing. And how Russia responded once the population ousted Yanukovich is telling about how little they respect democracy, or Ukrainian agency. |
I dont know tbh. I do think on the face of it US was trying to steer Ukraine Westwards. Many MSM articles on the subject. Less so mainstream articles on more nefarious activities by the CIA. But they are there. So to quantify interference, they were both at it, but the Russians arguably were worse?
Just to add a bit of meat
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That’s not really a question. The Russians were totally worse. An easy example is Belarus, which geographically would be advantageous to control. The truth is, thanks to Lukashenko they don’t have to worry. Why couldn’t Russia accept the democratic will of the people in 2013 and let them live peacefully, as was effectively mandated by Budapest.
And the Ted Galen Carpenter article doesn’t add to what we have discussed already. Although I found it amusing he self references to make his point. I wonder if the Donkey will be in to criticise the use of an article from a think tank that was heavily linked to the Koch brothers, conservative america, and right wing libertarianism.
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And that's why it's a perfect example of a view from another side. The more diverse backgrounds are the closer to the truth we can get to Is it not okay to align differently to the western worlds politics as in Belarus? |
Belarus can align itself as it wishes. On the other hand, so does Ukraine, without Russia flexing its muscle to engender outcomes. |
So Are we happy with the article from the Conservative Cato institute as some sort of evidence of american meddling?
I agree, Im anti war, Im anti the invasion. |
Is it? Like I said, a lot of self referencing, and alls a repetition of things we have discussed, such as Ukraine looking for help after the invasion of 2014.
The invasion should never have happened. The idea that Russian patience ran out (that’s what Ted Galen Carpenter seemed to say in another article I read) is redundant as they had already aggressively invaded in 2014. |
Im not so sure about Aggression. They faced no resistance in Crimea. And did a civil war in eastern Ukraine not start about then? |
How for people resist when it is sprung on them like that? The timeline is indicative of Ukraine preparing themselves for further aggression, which happened in 2022.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 9:59am |
Again uneducated. Their pipeline exports have plummeted and the bulk is now made up of low profit margin ship exports to India and China. And even at that there's an overall drop. It's very easy to cherry pick the data as these articles do.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 10:06am |
Inflation not looking good. 
Ruble tumbled which means it's more costly to import.
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Don't really check on this thread, but is eireland really arguing against the IMF? Or is he on the wind up?
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 10:10am |
National wealth fund depleted. Sovereign fund depleting. 
Labour shortage at critical levels and going to get worse monthly due to the war.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 10:17am |
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Don't really check on this thread, but is eireland really arguing against the IMF? Or is he on the wind up? |
I agree with the IMF suggesting their GDP will grow because that's what happens when a country is at war and invests heavily in funding that army. Do you think that's a good long term investment? While you fund this with your savings which will have to be borrowed when they run out, you kill off working aged men and you're investing all this money in weapons which will be destroyed and won't give you an economic return post war. Especially when Western weapons are now seen as more desirable Vs Russian.
This backfires for Russian when they run out of savings to fund this war in a few years. They need to wrap it up sooner rather then later. Ukraine and the west know this.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 10:21am |
Oh and I also forgot to post the dramatic interest rates they had to introduce to stop inflation sky rocketing. Educate yourselves lads.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 10:22am |
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Again uneducated. Their pipeline exports have plummeted and the bulk is now made up of low profit margin ship exports to India and China. And even at that there's an overall drop. It's very easy to cherry pick the data as these articles do.
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But Currently on the up and not "on a downward Spiral"
As for pipelines of course they are down 2 of their pipes were blown up but even at that they were turning them down to a trickle
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 10:24am |
eireland wrote:
Inflation not looking good.
Ruble tumbled which means it's more costly to import.
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Data on Currency is based in 2022, not up to date data
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Posted: 26 Apr 2024 at 10:27am |
Are you incapable of using Google.
Btw they raise interest rates so high to stabilise the ruble. Again they're paying the price to prevent it collapsing further.
Their oil and gas exports are way down on 2022 and far less profitable which is the key point here. Shipping fossils fuels is far less profitable then piping it.
Edited by eireland - 26 Apr 2024 at 10:28am
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