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Fruice
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1260 |
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All of what John Nice says is true but it also comes with the same * as it did when we improved in the last qualifying campaign. The pressure was off we were goosed in terms of getting something out of the group. With regards aremina you should always be capable of putting some sort of performance against weaker nations. When you don’t score against this level of opposition it’s a bad day out. Two big games coming for the team.
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John Nice
Jack Charlton Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 5137 |
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I agree fully re the asterisk, we still have it all to prove in the next campaign, but I'm a lot more positive about our chances for Euro 2024 now than I was at the start of this campaign. Also, just one point re this "weaker" teams concept, because we hear this all the time, as if teams ranked below us traditionally cannot improve considerably. The whole point of the Nations League is to pair teams of roughly similar ability, based on results over the previous couple of campaigns, in groups of 4 in order to provide a competitive schedule. That being the case I find it a little annoying at times (not necessarily directed at yourself) to see teams like Armenia being talked about as if they are an Andorra or San Marino. They made it up to Division B on merit, so they arent desperate and will probably be just one seeding below us for the Euro Qualifiers. That's not to say the Irish team we all want to see shouldnt be beating them, but I think there is a somewhat skewed perspective around "weaker" teams on here at times. By definition a team in Group B is going to be competitive with ourselves, given that I think most agree we are nowhere near being a Division A team just yet.
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Idah Dream!
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shakeyshamrock
500 Club la la la Joined: 25 May 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 577 |
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This is our best ever showing in the Nations League with 2 games still left to play…
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Fruice
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 1260 |
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It can still disappointing even if it’s our best in terms of result’s. And if you want to be technical we got a playoff spot out of one of our previous nations league campaigns and don’t look like getting one now ( of course this could change if we win or next two games) Ultimately a country like us needs to get something out of the nations league especially if we are now in pot 3 for the qualifiers
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John Nice
Jack Charlton Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 5137 |
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Tbf, while that is true, I think it is equally disingenuous to portray this as an achievement , just as I think it is wrong to write this campaign off as very disappointing if we end up in 3rd spot. To date I think this campaign has been decent, we have been competitive vs teams of similar rank/ability and we appear to have improved as the campaign has progressed, which was to be expected given the average age of the squad. The Scotland game was probably the high point of the last 5 years, if not decade. The two upcoming games will demonstrate whether or not that improvement is real and substantial. As ever, I'll be looking not just at the results, but the performances. There is no doubt in mind that the squad is, on paper at least, in much better shape than it was a year ago, now we have to go out as a team and prove that.
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Idah Dream!
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williemc83
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Whenever Scotland have a stride in their step and something to play for; they f*** it up monumentally.
I don't think they'll repeat that performance and I expect we'll win.
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You Tell Me
Jack Charlton Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Status: Offline Points: 6773 |
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Seems to be confirmed now that results against fourth placed teams will be discounted when ranking the third placed finishers across the four B groups (because of Russia being kicked out). Probably the first bit of good news we've had all week in that, if we come third in the group, at least the loss in Armenia will be discounted when ranking the third placed teams. Obviously any win against them at home would be discounted also though. So the Scotland game becomes even more important in that context, it's the only game we have left where we can add to our four points group total when ranking the third placed teams.
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25085 |
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Scotland's win last night has sunk our chances of second imo as I don't see us taking 6 points of them.
Assuming we finish in 3rd spot are we going to be the 3rd seeds in the qualifying draw or could we be second seeds?
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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Mr. Snrub
Liam Brady Joined: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Co. Dublin Status: Offline Points: 2074 |
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2 wins and we can top the group!
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"Here's Robbie Keane...... yeeeessss! That is no more than Ireland deserve!"
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John Nice
Jack Charlton Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 5137 |
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Thats the spirit!
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Idah Dream!
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irishmufc
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Assuming we finish in 3rd spot are we going to be the 3rd seeds in the qualifying draw or could we be second seeds?
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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J89
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Need to top the group or be the best runner up to be in pot two. |
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Dalymount79
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CillDara
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We aren't going to top the group, but what are our odds of getting a playoff if we finish 3rd?
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irish_major
Ray Houghton Bookie Slayer Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 3935 |
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If we win saturday I think we'll top the group. Ukraine could easily draw against Armenia.
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Here we go again
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irishmufc
Robbie Keane I love Vulvas Joined: 09 Aug 2011 Location: Dublin Status: Offline Points: 25085 |
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I admire your optimism I'd take 2nd spot now.
Edited by irishmufc - 22 Sep 2022 at 9:44pm |
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Wings? They're only the band The Beatles could have been.
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shakeyshamrock
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Their game is before ours so we’ll know ahead of the game
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John Nice
Jack Charlton Joined: 10 Sep 2021 Location: Wexford Status: Offline Points: 5137 |
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Highly unlikely. While I think there's a decent chance that Ukraine drop points to Armenia and a fair chance that we can beat both Scotland and Armenia, we would still be reliant on Ukraine vs Scotland ending in a draw in a game where both teams know victory will seal top spot. We can win both our games, get to 10 points and still end up 3rd, if Ukraine beat Armenia and the Scots then beat Ukraine, so It would certainly be good to see Ukraine drop points in Yerevan.
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Idah Dream!
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