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USA pushed them all the way
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Ken Early really doesn't like City. Pure bitter and sickened LOL

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Liverpool can feel like brave losers but City would have just felt like losers if title slipped away. LOL
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It would help Liverpool’s public perception greatly if there wasn’t this exceptionalism narrative. “We’re still victorious in defeat” is meaningless when you look at the fact that City won the title and have the celebrations, while Liverpool didn’t.
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Don't get me wrong, Liverpool have had a brilliant season and are a phenomenal team/manager etc

According to their fans, and many other football neutrals they've the best player in the world at the minute, the best centre half (of all time some say LOL), the best right back and left back others claim, the best defensive midfielder and the best manager. 

Yet they aren't expected to beat City to the league the same fans say and its a victory finishing second. Its Win Win for them. 



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One league title (behind closed doors) for the greatest football team we’ve ever seen. 
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After a season like that, you can't say that Man City are "better" than Liverpool, or v.v.

All you can say is that they are both exceptional, evenly matched teams and this time MC managed a point more over the course of 38 games.

If you could run that season again, it could just as easily be Liverpool who finished a point ahead.

As for next season, I think Haaland could make a difference, even if he doesn't feature in every game, all game - City to win the title by 3 or 4 points?
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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

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Congrats to Abu Dhabi Clap

USA pushed them all the way

Russia will be content with third
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

After a season like that, you can't say that Man City are "better" than Liverpool, or v.v.

All you can say is that they are both exceptional, evenly matched teams and this time MC managed a point more over the course of 38 games.
 
And in a way, they're both winners. But in another, more accurate way, Man City are the winner.
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Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

After a season like that, you can't say that Man City are "better" than Liverpool, or v.v.

All you can say is that they are both exceptional, evenly matched teams and this time MC managed a point more over the course of 38 games.
 
And in a way, they're both winners. But in another, more accurate way, Man City are the winner.

I wasn't talking about bragging rights, merely venturing an objective opinion on the relative merits of the two teams.

There's bugger all between them (imo).
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

After a season like that, you can't say that Man City are "better" than Liverpool, or v.v.

All you can say is that they are both exceptional, evenly matched teams and this time MC managed a point more over the course of 38 games.

If you could run that season again, it could just as easily be Liverpool who finished a point ahead.

As for next season, I think Haaland could make a difference, even if he doesn't feature in every game, all game - City to win the title by 3 or 4 points?
4 titles in 5 seasons would suggest city are the team of the current mini-era.
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4 titles in 5 seasons would suggest city are the team of the current mini-era.

Over the period, yes.

But over the season just ended, the margin was wafer thin.

And regarding 2021/22, or what will happen next season, what happened in season 2017/18 is increasingly less relevant.
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One league title (behind closed doors) for the greatest football team we’ve ever seen. 
Congrats to City, table doesnt lie.

Only ONE point separates the 2 teams over last 4 seasons but City won it 3 times. Fair play to them. 

Long season for LFC hopefully something left in the tank for Sat and not too many injuries.
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It would help Liverpool’s public perception greatly if there wasn’t this exceptionalism narrative. “We’re still victorious in defeat” is meaningless when you look at the fact that City won the title and have the celebrations, while Liverpool didn’t.

It's not exceptionalism - It's a reflection on reality. It's been a great season - 2 trophies won, a chance of another and a proper challenge for the PL. All this done against a team who have unlimited wealth - Liverpool have overachieved. And this is probably the best Liverpool side that most fans have seen. That's the reason for the positive outlook. 
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

It would help Liverpool’s public perception greatly if there wasn’t this exceptionalism narrative. “We’re still victorious in defeat” is meaningless when you look at the fact that City won the title and have the celebrations, while Liverpool didn’t.

It's not exceptionalism - It's a reflection on reality. It's been a great season - 2 trophies won, a chance of another and a proper challenge for the PL. All this done against a team who have unlimited wealth - Liverpool have overachieved. And this is probably the best Liverpool side that most fans have seen. That's the reason for the positive outlook. 


Don’t get me wrong, Man City and Liverpool are really as good as it gets in World Football. But for a margin here and there, Liverpool could well be toasting an unprecedented English quadruple. If Liverpool lift the European Cup on Saturday, this season will surely go down as one of their best.

That being said, I’m not entirely sure that there is not at least a splash of exceptionalism when it comes to comment like the one we are discussing appropriates the title of “glorious losers” and effectively claiming that City couldn’t have that in a neck and neck title race. In fact, in the same circumstances, I think Alex Ferguson would simply have deemed it failure without anything to redeem it (of course that would be different if he had three cups in his back pocket).

I don’t think Liverpool are overachieving. It’s a reflection of a remarkable team and a remarkable manager. But that’s not to say they don’t have their own financial muscle.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by Borussia Borussia wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

It would help Liverpool’s public perception greatly if there wasn’t this exceptionalism narrative. “We’re still victorious in defeat” is meaningless when you look at the fact that City won the title and have the celebrations, while Liverpool didn’t.

It's not exceptionalism - It's a reflection on reality. It's been a great season - 2 trophies won, a chance of another and a proper challenge for the PL. All this done against a team who have unlimited wealth - Liverpool have overachieved. And this is probably the best Liverpool side that most fans have seen. That's the reason for the positive outlook. 


Don’t get me wrong, Man City and Liverpool are really as good as it gets in World Football. But for a margin here and there, Liverpool could well be toasting an unprecedented English quadruple. If Liverpool lift the European Cup on Saturday, this season will surely go down as one of their best.

That being said, I’m not entirely sure that there is not at least a splash of exceptionalism when it comes to comment like the one we are discussing appropriates the title of “glorious losers” and effectively claiming that City couldn’t have that in a neck and neck title race. In fact, in the same circumstances, I think Alex Ferguson would simply have deemed it failure without anything to redeem it (of course that would be different if he had three cups in his back pocket).

I don’t think Liverpool are overachieving. It’s a reflection of a remarkable team and a remarkable manager. But that’s not to say they don’t have their own financial muscle.

Of course they are overachieving - They are by no means poor but Chelsea, Man City and Man United have been able to afford to spend more on transfers and wages. This is down to the self-sustaining model the owners want and I'm fine with that.
And I still think the exceptionalism comment isn't valid - Absolutely none of that from anybody I talked at the game on Sunday or in town afterwards.
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Overachieving in the sense that they haven't has as big a net spend as some of their rivals, but taking that out of it and looking on paper  at their manager, team and squad i don't think its an overachievement. 
They've some of the best players in the world and their manager is among the best. They probably have a better squad than Citys, and if you did a combined team Liverpool would probably have more players on it. 

The two clubs bring the best out in each other on the pitch. Unreal levels of consistency and points totals.

Was surprised that Liverpool had no wins against the other top 4 teams this season, drew all 6 of those games. Something they can improve on for next year 
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In fairness, my comment is more about the sun-heading referenced by Muff. I agree that the financial muscle isn’t the same, but Liverpool are not short of sufficient muscle themselves to buy players at very high value, and the bulk of the team are high value purchases. I accept the money has been often raised through player sales, but that doesn’t mean that they also have a clutch of £40 million players.
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