Gavin Bazunu

For what it's worth, I'd say there's every chance Bazunu would have been Number 2 at City this season if he had chosen to stay on.

Only by playing regular football can the ability of a player be judged. Not over 3 games a season. 

Bazunu is playing regular games now at the highest level and there are obvious areas he can improve. Same with Travers. We know that there are areas he can improve because he has been playing enough games to show the areas that need work. I know a special, gifted few need only watch Kelleher play a few times in the Carabao cup over the space of 3-4 years to know exactly how good Kelleher is, same as a randomer would only need to watch the world cup to know how good Messi is, but the normal folk among us might wonder how he would do facing as many shots as Bazunu is. Or how he would fare playing out from the back against teams that arent completely terrified of you and sit off, allowing you to pick your passes. Or how he would deal with the pressure of playing in games where the top flight future of the club is on the line, rather than having 3 games a season mostly confined to a tournament that the manager sees as an inconvenience.

Were Bazunu still at Man City and trotted out twice a season to take part in a Mickey Mouse cup, he would undoubtedly not be making some of the errors he is now, and any judgement on him would be pretty worthless. 

So yes, playing games trumps sitting around on your arse for years. These games should stand to Bazunu down the line.

You dont think that number 2 keepers have been able to come in for League cup games and dead rubbers at other teams and not embarass themselves?

United had Van Der Gouw, Kuszczak and Lindegaard alone during times when they were at the top, who were long term number 2's and were able to play in these games and not embarass themselves. Sometimes they even played well. Never once did anybody think that these players were good enough to start games at top teams, just because they didnt disgrace themselves in their extremely limited appearances with United, in mostly dead rubber games, when United were much better than they are now.

Until Kelleher decides to show some ambition and attempt to actually play football nobody can say what he is. Acting like he is better than other keepers who start week in week out, purely because he doesnt get on the pitch enough to make mistakes, is just nonsense. Acting like there is nothing between Kelleher and two lads who start week in week out and actually put themselves out there, have a go and take the risk of making a mistake is mental. Acting like Kelleher has shown elite levels of ability in his extremely limited showings in a Mickey Mouse cup for Liverpool, is nonsense. Bazunu has 4 times the amount of premier league appearances as Kelleher does, already. 

Bazunu is making mistakes at the moment but at least he had the ambition to try and make them. Should stand to him down the line, certainly more than if he was trotted out for Man City 2 times a season.

I'm well aware that the point of the post was that you can make snap judgements on players off an extremely small sample size of games, which as I've already said is just an abysmal take. Especially given that you used the World Cup as an example for this sample size of games, which has famously led to a truckload of players being bought off their performances there and flopping afterward.

Thereby clearly indicating the need for more games to judge a player off.

Especially in the case of Carabao Caoimh who has played barely any games in goal for one of the most dominant teams in Europe. Plenty of top teams have been able to rotate in a number two over the years in damp squib fixtures who hasnt made a show of themselves. That doesnt mean that they have great ability. It's very obviously impossible to judge when the sample size is so low and the majority of the games are unimportant.

The cherry on top of your sh*t sundae was you utilising Messi as an example, regardless of your intentions with 'metaphorical reasoning' - you've still used Messi as a direct comparison to Kelleher. Now run along.

If you honestly think the point of the post is to compare Kelleher (a goalkeeper) to Messi (the greatest outfield player of all time), then I'm unsurprised your level of intelligence doesn't allow you to make a call on a players quality from a 38 game sample.

Congratulations on failing to understand what metaphorical reasoning is 

Trying to equate Messi and Kelleher now. Bloody brilliant. 

But funnily enough, if you remove Messi from your atrocious argument, there have been numerous examples of players getting moves based on a handful of games at international tournaments and flopping afterword. Clearly demonstrating that a greater body of work should be taken into account before making judgements.

The only bad judge of player is the person over hyping a sub keeper based off essentially f*ck all games when playing for a team that has been winning with ease for years. 

Exactly