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Ray Houghton Joined: 16 Aug 2019 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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[QUOTE=sausy]
who gives a sh1t about his accent or how his interviews are perceived, stupid things to mention. He'll be judged on performances and results and while the last few months have been bitterly disappointing, I don't think any genuine analysis of his time in the job so far can be made given the unprecedented disruptions he seen with Covid, injury etc.[/QUOTE
A few people on here are desperate for Kenny to fail before he even managed the first game. To now make up ridiculous conspiracy theories that players don't like his accent so look to put no effort into games is as embarrassing an assessment as you're likely to ever see. Irish fans desperate for ireland to lose... shambles.
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Devrozex
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Just so we're clear here, are you suggesting that Kenny should alter his accent in interviews? As in, like what Steve McClaren did in Holland?
Things aren't exactly going the Mae West for him right now but I can only imagine how bad they would get if he randomly started doing his interviews in a different accent...
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sid waddell
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Different managers have different modus operandi in terms of dealing with the press Gavin was of the "say nothing" mindset Which actually takes serious confidence in its own way But it was obvious Gavin was articulate and had firm ideas and knew what he was at, he was not nervous in dealing with the press, he just said nothing of interest because that's what his way of doing things was, he was comfortable with that Kenny seems to be desperately trying to defend himself and justify himself in interviews but he doesn't know how to do it effectively And again, you have to go back to playing background as a driver of self confidence Gavin was an All-Ireland winner as a player and at u-21 level as a manager - that gave him immense confidence in himself Kenny has no playing background of note and has everything to prove, because he has never done it at this level The size of a job can make people shrink Roy Hodgson shrank visibly when Liverpool manager because the job was just too big for him Even Brendan Rodgers, who is not noted for his lack of self confidence, seemed to shrink at times when he was Liverpool manager Management is not just the art persuading players, its the whole rigmarole that surrounds it and that feeds back into persuading players - the whole thing is a feedback loop Football management is vicious in its brutality and it is not fair, any weakness or perceived weakness at all is relentlessly examined and exploited and you have a skin thicker than a rhinoceros's arse to deal with it |
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Accent discrimination is very real. I have experienced this living in the UK, and seen colleagues pigeon holed based on accent. Lots of footy managers are pigeon holed due to stereotypes associated with accent. Oddly, in Ireland many fans poke fun at managers based on their accent and the associated stereotype with it and would alas dismiss there chances of ever potentially being our manager. |
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Devrozex
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Exactly. That's a bizarre post from Sid.
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sid waddell
Roy Keane On a dark desert highway Joined: 20 Nov 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12173 |
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A lot of hurt feelings there The question is, does what I said about Kenny's accent ring true I think it's undeniable it does It certainly does in politics Like, did the way Kevin O'Keeffe or Michael Healy Rae or Peter Fitzpatrick spoke at those FAI Oireachtas committee hearings influence what you thought of them Of course it did Did the way Steve Staunton spoke influence what people thought of him Of course it did Staunton's "I'm the gaffer" and the broad Dundalk accent he said it in is still an object of fun nearly 15 years later Does the way Jacob Rees Mogg or Boris Johnson or Nigel Farridge or Michael Fabricant speak influence what you think of them Of course it does The way people speak and especially the way they project themselves is a very big deal in how they are perceived That's the truth Edited by sid waddell - 19 Nov 2020 at 10:29am |
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sausy
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who gives a sh1t about his accent or how his interviews are perceived, stupid things to mention. He'll be judged on performances and results and while the last few months have been bitterly disappointing, I don't think any genuine analysis of his time in the job so far can be made given the unprecedented disruptions he seen with Covid, injury etc.
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MayoMark
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That interview didn't bother me in the slightest and I honestly couldn't care less about interviews. The notion that he speaks in the same way in the dressing room is ludicrous ffs.
Jim Gavin never did one interesting or gripping interview. I never once assumed that's how he spoke to his players in the dressing room. Didn't seem to affect him too much |
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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Dunne23
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The first half was genuinely the worst half of a game that I can remember seeing. I wonder if Kenny rates where you're playing over how you're playing. For me our best central midfielders for his style are Cullen, Byrne and either Hendrick or Browne. They all want it and look relatively comfortable with it. I thought Knight was okay. Would love to see a 5-3-2 with Parrott and Connolly up front at some point with Byrne, Cullen and either Brady, Hendrick or Browne behind. We knew it wasn't going to be easy, let's give it some more time.
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seriously embarrassing post. basically you have a prejudice so everyone else must have this prejudice too?
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zizu Kilbane
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That is a ridiculously elitist thing to say. Why would anyone change or tone down their accent in professional settingsm I' m also from Tallaght and speak in vernacular terms similar to Kenny, I dont think that's ever heald me back professionally, and I work in an industry that is traditionally full of old boys/South Dublin Rugby types. |
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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This reads like a Fine Gael tweet
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zizu Kilbane
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There are some people on here who have an issue with the fact he doesn't have an English accent. He was measured in what he said and summed the last 3 months up fairly. - Unprecidented Squad disruption - Posotives were blooding young players - We can play better - He accepts we have to start winning games ASAP
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"Sometimes, sh*t happens, someone's gotta deal with it, and who ya gonna call?"
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rebelbrowser
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Lads, no one knows if Kenny will be a success or failure. The odds on failure have shortened undoubtedly due to his first 8 games but in fairness they have been played in freakish circumstances with some equally freakish bad luck. And yet if (and its a big if) the Parrot, Idah, Connolly , O Shea, etc generation turn out to be a great crop, their enforced game time over the last 7 games may prove a huge blessing.
In that interview Kenny appears what he is, very tired and incredulous. Work is strange for us all this weather but what Kenny has to deal with...f**k me. On a personal level, he could do with the upcoming break. Alas whether he succeeds or not ultimately probably has little enough to do with him. Its largely down to our u21 generation. If they get game time (and goals) between now and March it suggests they are on the road to fulfilling their potential. If they don't then it probably signifies they aren't as good as we hoped.
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sid waddell
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As somebody who talks in a not too dissimilar accent, pronunciation etc. to Kenny, ie. a west Dublin housing estate accent, I generally can't take managers who speak with that sort of a Dublin accent seriously
Like, he pronounces Jason Knight as "Nigh", Troy Parrott as "Parreh" and Adam Idah as "Eye-dah" - Idah has even tweeted the correct pronunciation of his own name for clarity For somebody with a strong accent, like myself, you generally know for professional purposes to tone it down a little, I mean you don't have to change your accent very much, but you just make sure to pronounce things correctly and speak in grammatically correct language No successful Dublin GAA manager has had that sort of an accent either, I mean they have had Dublin accents but there's a difference between say, a Kevin Heffernan or Pat Gilroy accent - or probably more to the point, manner of speaking, as Heffernan and Gilroy both had old school Dublin accents - and how Kenny speaks I can't take managers who speak in broad Cockney seriously either I'd have similar enough concerns about how Dessie Farrell projects himself, he's a like a mortuary slab in human form Edited by sid waddell - 19 Nov 2020 at 12:07am |
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+1
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50%lesssugar&salt
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You don't like Kenny and don't think he is up to it. We all get it.
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