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[QUOTE=sausy] who gives a sh1t about his accent or how his interviews are perceived, stupid things to mention. He'll be judged on performances and results and while the last few months have been bitterly disappointing, I don't think any genuine analysis of his time in the job so far can be made given the unprecedented disruptions he seen with Covid, injury etc.[/QUOTE

A few people on here are desperate for Kenny to fail before he even managed the first game. 

To now make up ridiculous conspiracy theories that players don't like his accent so look to put no effort into games is as embarrassing an assessment as you're likely to ever see.

Irish fans desperate for ireland to lose... shambles.
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Just so we're clear here, are you suggesting that Kenny should alter his accent in interviews? As in, like what Steve McClaren did in Holland?
Things aren't exactly going the Mae West for him right now but I can only imagine how bad they would get if he randomly started doing his interviews in a different accent...
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

That interview didn't bother me in the slightest and I honestly couldn't care less about interviews. The notion that he speaks in the same way in the dressing room is ludicrous ffs.

Jim Gavin never did one interesting or gripping interview. I never once assumed that's how he spoke to his players in the dressing room. Didn't seem to affect him too much 

Different managers have different modus operandi in terms of dealing with the press

Gavin was of the "say nothing" mindset

Which actually takes serious confidence in its own way

But it was obvious Gavin was articulate and had firm ideas and knew what he was at, he was not nervous in dealing with the press, he just said nothing of interest because that's what his way of doing things was, he was comfortable with that

Kenny seems to be desperately trying to defend himself and justify himself in interviews but he doesn't know how to do it effectively

And again, you have to go back to playing background as a driver of self confidence

Gavin was an All-Ireland winner as a player and at u-21 level as a manager - that gave him immense confidence in himself

Kenny has no playing background of note and has everything to prove, because he has never done it at this level

The size of a job can make people shrink

Roy Hodgson shrank visibly when Liverpool manager because the job was just too big for him

Even Brendan Rodgers, who is not noted for his lack of self confidence, seemed to shrink at times when he was Liverpool manager

Management is not just the art persuading players, its the whole rigmarole that surrounds it and that feeds back into persuading players - the whole thing is a feedback loop

Football management is vicious in its brutality and it is not fair, any weakness or perceived weakness at all is relentlessly examined and exploited and you have a skin thicker than a rhinoceros's arse to deal with it


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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:


That is a ridiculously elitist thing to say. Why would anyone change or tone down their accent in professional settingsm ConfusedI' m also from Tallaght and speak in vernacular terms similar to Kenny, I dont think that's ever heald me back professionally, and I work in an industry that is traditionally full of old boys/South Dublin Rugby types.


Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:


That is a ridiculously elitist thing to say. Why would anyone change or tone down their accent in professional settingsm ConfusedI' m also from Tallaght and speak in vernacular terms similar to Kenny, I dont think that's ever heald me back professionally, and I work in an industry that is traditionally full of old boys/South Dublin Rugby types.


Originally posted by Four-Four-Two Four-Four-Two wrote:


seriously embarrassing post. basically you have a prejudice so everyone else must have this prejudice too?
A lot of hurt feelings there

The question is, does what I said about Kenny's accent ring true

I think it's undeniable it does

It certainly does in politics

Like, did the way Kevin O'Keeffe or Michael Healy Rae or Peter Fitzpatrick spoke at those FAI Oireachtas committee hearings influence what you thought of them

Of course it did

Did the way Steve Staunton spoke influence what people thought of him

Of course it did

Staunton's "I'm the gaffer" and the broad Dundalk accent he said it in is still an object of fun nearly 15 years later

Does the way Jacob Rees Mogg or Boris Johnson or Nigel Farridge or Michael Fabricant speak influence what you think of them

Of course it does

The way people speak and especially the way they project themselves is a very big deal in how they are perceived

That's the truth

 
Accent discrimination is very real. I have experienced this living  in the UK, and seen colleagues pigeon holed based on accent. Lots of footy managers are pigeon holed due to stereotypes associated with accent. Oddly, in Ireland many fans poke fun at managers based on their accent and the associated stereotype with it and would alas dismiss there chances of ever potentially being our manager.
 
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Jim Gavin never did one interesting or gripping interview. I never once assumed that's how he spoke to his players in the dressing room. Didn't seem to affect him too much
 
Exactly. That's a bizarre post from Sid.
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Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:


That is a ridiculously elitist thing to say. Why would anyone change or tone down their accent in professional settingsm ConfusedI' m also from Tallaght and speak in vernacular terms similar to Kenny, I dont think that's ever heald me back professionally, and I work in an industry that is traditionally full of old boys/South Dublin Rugby types.


Originally posted by zizu Kilbane zizu Kilbane wrote:


That is a ridiculously elitist thing to say. Why would anyone change or tone down their accent in professional settingsm ConfusedI' m also from Tallaght and speak in vernacular terms similar to Kenny, I dont think that's ever heald me back professionally, and I work in an industry that is traditionally full of old boys/South Dublin Rugby types.


Originally posted by Four-Four-Two Four-Four-Two wrote:


seriously embarrassing post. basically you have a prejudice so everyone else must have this prejudice too?
A lot of hurt feelings there

The question is, does what I said about Kenny's accent ring true

I think it's undeniable it does

It certainly does in politics

Like, did the way Kevin O'Keeffe or Michael Healy Rae or Peter Fitzpatrick spoke at those FAI Oireachtas committee hearings influence what you thought of them

Of course it did

Did the way Steve Staunton spoke influence what people thought of him

Of course it did

Staunton's "I'm the gaffer" and the broad Dundalk accent he said it in is still an object of fun nearly 15 years later

Does the way Jacob Rees Mogg or Boris Johnson or Nigel Farridge or Michael Fabricant speak influence what you think of them

Of course it does

The way people speak and especially the way they project themselves is a very big deal in how they are perceived

That's the truth



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who gives a sh1t about his accent or how his interviews are perceived, stupid things to mention. He'll be judged on performances and results and while the last few months have been bitterly disappointing, I don't think any genuine analysis of his time in the job so far can be made given the unprecedented disruptions he seen with Covid, injury etc.
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That interview didn't bother me in the slightest and I honestly couldn't care less about interviews. The notion that he speaks in the same way in the dressing room is ludicrous ffs.

Jim Gavin never did one interesting or gripping interview. I never once assumed that's how he spoke to his players in the dressing room. Didn't seem to affect him too much 

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The first half was genuinely the worst half of a game that I can remember seeing. I wonder if Kenny rates where you're playing over how you're playing. For me our best central midfielders for his style are Cullen, Byrne and either Hendrick or Browne. They all want it and look relatively comfortable with it. I thought Knight was okay. Would love to see a 5-3-2 with Parrott and Connolly up front at some point with Byrne, Cullen and either Brady, Hendrick or Browne behind. We knew it wasn't going to be easy, let's give it some more time.
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Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

Originally posted by Four-Four-Two Four-Four-Two wrote:

first really bad performance under kenny, got his team all wrong. cullen and byrne should have started. hourihane did little, brady nothing apart from his strike, and curtis woeful. couldn't believe he took off horgan rather than curtis who was the liveliest of the front three. all over it reminded me a lot of an o'neill performance, we just couldn't get hold of the ball in midfield

It was an O' Neill performance. We made more opportunities than a typical O'Neill performance but it more O'Neill than Kenny. 

Still believe in Kenny and am confident we will come good. Agree about lateness of the subs and question some of the starters. Curtis for me wasnt as bad as people are saying.
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

As somebody who talks in a not too dissimilar accent, pronunciation etc. to Kenny, ie. a west Dublin housing estate accent, I generally can't take managers who speak with that sort of a Dublin accent seriously

Like, he pronounces Jason Knight as "Nigh", Troy Parrott as "Parreh" and Adam Idah as "Eye-dah" - Idah has even tweeted the correct pronunciation of his own name for clarity

For somebody with a strong accent, like myself, you generally know for professional purposes to tone it down a little, I mean you don't have to change your accent very much, but you just make sure to pronounce things correctly and speak in grammatically correct language

No successful Dublin GAA manager has had that sort of an accent either, I mean they have had Dublin accents but there's a difference between say, a Kevin Heffernan or Pat Gilroy accent - or probably more to the point, manner of speaking, as Heffernan and Gilroy both had old school Dublin accents - and how Kenny speaks 

I can't take managers who speak in broad Cockney seriously either

I'd have similar enough concerns about how Dessie Farrell projects himself, he's a like a mortuary slab in human form




seriously embarrassing post. basically you have a prejudice so everyone else must have this prejudice too?
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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

As somebody who talks in a not too dissimilar accent, pronunciation etc. to Kenny, ie. a west Dublin housing estate accent, I generally can't take managers who speak with that sort of a Dublin accent seriously

Like, he pronounces Jason Knight as "Nigh", Troy Parrott as "Parreh" and Adam Idah as "Eye-dah" - Idah has even tweeted the correct pronunciation of his own name for clarity

For somebody with a strong accent, like myself, you generally know for professional purposes to tone it down a little, I mean you don't have to change your accent very much, but you just make sure to pronounce things correctly and speak in grammatically correct language

No successful Dublin GAA manager has had that sort of an accent either, I mean they have had Dublin accents but there's a difference between say, a Kevin Heffernan or Pat Gilroy accent - or probably more to the point, manner of speaking, as Heffernan and Gilroy both had old school Dublin accents - and how Kenny speaks 

I can't take managers who speak in broad Cockney seriously either

I'd have similar enough concerns about how Dessie Farrell projects himself, he's a like a mortuary slab in human form




That is a ridiculously elitist thing to say. Why would anyone change or tone down their accent in professional settingsm ConfusedI' m also from Tallaght and speak in vernacular terms similar to Kenny, I dont think that's ever heald me back professionally, and I work in an industry that is traditionally full of old boys/South Dublin Rugby types.



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Originally posted by sid waddell sid waddell wrote:

As somebody who talks in a not too dissimilar accent, pronunciation etc. to Kenny, ie. a west Dublin housing estate accent, I generally can't take managers who speak with that sort of a Dublin accent seriously

Like, he pronounces Jason Knight as "Nigh", Troy Parrott as "Parreh" and Adam Idah as "Eye-dah" - Idah has even tweeted the correct pronunciation of his own name for clarity

For somebody with a strong accent, like myself, you generally know for professional purposes to tone it down a little, I mean you don't have to change your accent very much, but you just make sure to pronounce things correctly and speak in grammatically correct language

No successful Dublin GAA manager has had that sort of an accent either, I mean they have had Dublin accents but there's a difference between say, a Kevin Heffernan or Pat Gilroy accent - or probably more to the point, manner of speaking, as Heffernan and Gilroy both had old school Dublin accents - and how Kenny speaks 

I can't take managers who speak in broad Cockney seriously either

I'd have similar enough concerns about how Dessie Farrell projects himself, he's a like a mortuary slab in human form




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Originally posted by JUICEBOMB JUICEBOMB wrote:

Originally posted by wanderer wanderer wrote:

Not sure if theres much you can even say about tonights game but Kenny post match interview 


f**king hell he needs to brush up on his interview technique.

There are some people on here who have an issue with the fact he doesn't have an English accent. He was measured in what he said and summed the last 3 months up fairly.

- Unprecidented Squad disruption
- Posotives were blooding young players
- We can play better 
- He accepts we have to start winning games ASAP
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Lads, no one knows if Kenny will be a success or failure. The odds on failure have shortened undoubtedly due to his first 8 games but in fairness they have been played in freakish circumstances with some equally freakish bad luck. And yet if (and its a big if) the Parrot, Idah, Connolly , O Shea, etc generation turn out to be a great crop, their enforced game time over the last 7 games may prove a huge blessing.

In that interview Kenny appears what he is, very tired and incredulous. Work is strange for us all this weather but what Kenny has to deal with...f**k me. On a personal level, he could do with the upcoming break.

Alas whether he succeeds or not ultimately probably has little enough to do with him. Its largely down to our u21 generation. If they get game time (and goals) between now and March it suggests they are on the road to fulfilling their potential. If they don't then it probably signifies they aren't as good as we hoped.
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As somebody who talks in a not too dissimilar accent, pronunciation etc. to Kenny, ie. a west Dublin housing estate accent, I generally can't take managers who speak with that sort of a Dublin accent seriously

Like, he pronounces Jason Knight as "Nigh", Troy Parrott as "Parreh" and Adam Idah as "Eye-dah" - Idah has even tweeted the correct pronunciation of his own name for clarity

For somebody with a strong accent, like myself, you generally know for professional purposes to tone it down a little, I mean you don't have to change your accent very much, but you just make sure to pronounce things correctly and speak in grammatically correct language

No successful Dublin GAA manager has had that sort of an accent either, I mean they have had Dublin accents but there's a difference between say, a Kevin Heffernan or Pat Gilroy accent - or probably more to the point, manner of speaking, as Heffernan and Gilroy both had old school Dublin accents - and how Kenny speaks 

I can't take managers who speak in broad Cockney seriously either

I'd have similar enough concerns about how Dessie Farrell projects himself, he's a like a mortuary slab in human form





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Originally posted by 50%lesssugar&salt 50%lesssugar&salt wrote:

Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:


If our players are generally judged by the tier system in England. It's fair to say we're currently a middling Championship team. 

Apply that same tier level to our manager..... What's he? Plenty of a Championship clubs would offer contracts to our players.

What Championship club would offer Kenny a contract? What League 1 club would come in for him?

He's a League 2 level manager. That's his level. It's like getting a League 2 striker and expecting him to score at international level. 


You don't like Kenny and don't think he is up to it. We all get it. 

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Originally posted by avfc avfc wrote:


If our players are generally judged by the tier system in England. It's fair to say we're currently a middling Championship team. 

Apply that same tier level to our manager..... What's he? Plenty of a Championship clubs would offer contracts to our players.

What Championship club would offer Kenny a contract? What League 1 club would come in for him?

He's a League 2 level manager. That's his level. It's like getting a League 2 striker and expecting him to score at international level. 


You don't like Kenny and don't think he is up to it. We all get it. 
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