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kevin100
Ray Houghton Joined: 01 Jul 2020 Location: Mallow Status: Offline Points: 3390 |
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No one is saying that they are “better” than or are playing better for their clubs but Cullen Molumby Manning and O’Shea are all players I and you mentioned above that are far better suited to passing the ball/playing the style Kenny wants then Christie Duffy and Hendrick. and for goodness sake Hendrick is included with the above too he gives the ball away Willy nilly had Molumby pointing telling him what to do last night at one stage. |
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Four-Four-Two
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 18 Oct 2020 Status: Offline Points: 284 |
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culpable how? he was beaten in the air by one of the few players around who is better in the air than he is. this happens, duffy wins 95%+ of the headers hes involved in, but you cannot win 100% particularly against a guy like maguire who is exceptionally dominant
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amccarten313
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long post but a lot to break down after last night/last few months I did not expect much last night given our injuries, the gulf in class, etc. realistically they just have far better players at every position, and we are missing a lot of key players who start or play regularly (Stevens,Coleman, McCarthy, Connolly, Robinson; adding in McGoldrick's retirement + Egan going off early, its certainly significant). I think under previous managers we could have seen an extremely defensive team last night that was set up for a draw. looks better in the short term but doesnt help us build any identity for the future. I think in kenny's brief tenure we have admirably tried to play good football, and at times it has clicked. The amount of injuries, covid withdrawls, etc obviously has a huge effect that puts SK at a big disadvantage. however, it seems like we are so fragile defending our own box/defending set pieces. i feel like we will concede every time theres a corner or free kick, this is worrying bc at minimum it should be one of our inherent strengths no matter what Further, our squad is just pretty weak right now, and to make it even more complicated, some of our "better" (more talented or playing at a higher level) seem to be very inconsistent. Duffy has been greatfor us for a long time but is totally sapped of any confidence/form right now. Hourihane frequently disappears playing for us, not in the team at villa right now. fact that horgan outperformed him to such an extent last night kind of proves the point We have essentially no realistic options past Randolph in goal, he has no competition because since travers been dropped for bournemouth, kelleher not getting any first team football at liverpool. Even looking at just a few years ago, we had some decent squad options like westwood and forde playing regularly in champ, elliot at newcastle, given available despite coming to end of career. right now in addition to travers and kelleher who aren't playing- o'hara in league 1 and bazunu who is 18. randolph being permanent backup at west ham is really hurting us, thought he was shaky and rusty last night. thought hendrick and browne were pretty decent last night, of course browne tests positive. brady another who just for whatever reason cannot find form he had in the past, but we are so decimated he will probably continue to feature. up front i thought idah had a thankless task but again, he is not starting regularly at norwich, we have almost no options. obviously shane long would be better but hes not playing much either or getting any younger. i think it will take time to improve. the results have been terrible, no denying, as was said 6 games no wins 1 goal is awful reading. i think we've shown in some spells there is some reason for optimism, given our undeniable recent bad luck and the general poor quality of the squad i am not too worried just yet, i think right now anyone would struggle to make us a "good" team.
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Zinedine Kilbane 110
Jack Charlton Man City records obsession Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Location: Dundalk Status: Offline Points: 9647 |
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What! Look at it again. That was Duffy fault all day long. He was in the right position, goal side and just in front of Mcguire. He could see the cross coming and knew where maguire was. A 6ft 4 defender needs to win that 100% of the time. |
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Maguire is taller and physically bigger than Duffy. Either way, Duffy will be disappointed in not being stronger to beat Maguire. |
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Left foot
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It was poor defending from Duffy, his attempt to head it away was poor, its like he closed his eyes and just misses the ball altogether.
I know maguire it good in the air but it's also Duffy's bread and butter. It was a weak attempt with the conviction of a man who is not enjoying his football.
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Zinedine Kilbane 110
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Both 6ft 4 and physically very similar. Maguire has much bigger nut but that’s about it. |
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Devrozex
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I don't think it was terrible defending by Duffy, but it's also hard to imagine that goal happening a few months ago when he wasn't horribly out of form.
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Territorial
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It seems to me that Kenny is getting a pass for making bad decisions that any other of our recent managers would be getting hammered for. To go into a game away from home against a decent side like England with a decimated team without any holding midfielders on the pitch is insane. Molumby should have been the first name on the team sheet last night and ideally we 'd have had Cullen in the squad to play with 2 holding midfielders. We didn't even lay a glove on their midfield which you won't when you select a midfield with nobody who can tackle or win the ball back. England were constantly finding space between our midfield and defence for this simple reason. O'Neill got hammered for playing Hendrick and Brady against Denmark at home from half time when we were chasing 2 goals to qualify for a world cup. I just don't get why we have fans saying Kenny should get 2 or 3 tournaments to turn our fortunes around. He has no track record in achieving this with any other teams. I could understand it if Michael O'Neill was our manager as he has done it with the North.
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Dots1982
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The idea that we can become a better passing side by the picking of players who are a longs ways off being anything close to consistent PL level performers like Cullen Molumby Manning and O’Shea.... I don’t buy it to be honest. I think it’s another example of what Irish fans are good at. Telling themselves this player or that player who isn’t getting picked would make a difference when they really wouldn’t. Duffy was only one of three players to get a shot at goal last night, maybe O’Shea could pass it better but if you drop Duffy, we will replace him with someone who will be less of a threat in the opposition penalty box. For a team that can’t score a goal, that’s not going to help in that department and a few better passes isn’t going to make a whole pile of difference.
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Territorial
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And so he should. For compared with Trap, Agent Martin and Mick Mc, he has no comparable international experience at this level (player or manager); he inherited a terrible hand to play; he wasn't given a run of handy friendlies to bed in, but instead almost immediately faced a crucial game (Slovakia); he was clearly appointed with a view to change the way the team was playing; and he's on a fraction of the salary of his predecessors. I have no view whether he's the real deal or not, but the very minimum he should expect is time - after all, he's been given precious little else to work with.
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Four-Four-Two
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maguire is also a 6foot4 defender, so both cannot win it 100% of the time???
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Drumcondra 69er
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It took Michael O'Neill 9 games for his first win and another nine for his second iirc. There'd have been utter meltdowns on here had that been someone with us.
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Zinedine Kilbane 110
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But Duffy has the huge advantage in that he doesn’t need to control his header. He just needs to get something on it. Given his position was perfect he needs to win that. He completely misses the header.
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Four-Four-Two
Kevin Kilbane Joined: 18 Oct 2020 Status: Offline Points: 284 |
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that is no advantage at all, you made a illogical argument and you only realise it now! you say a 6foot4 defender must win 100% of headers, but clearly this can never be the case with 2 6foot4 defenders competing together. duffy is usually excellent on the air, it just happens he came against one of the few in the world who is better. there is no fault in losing an aerial dual to maguire, it happens to pretty much every player he faces in every game
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Dots1982
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Of course it’s an advantage. Fcuk sake. It’s obvious to anyone how being able to get a clearing header is easier than a header towards a defined area like a goal.
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Left foot
Ray Houghton Joined: 16 Aug 2019 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Duffy made a poor attempt for the ball, if you can't see that then fair enough
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