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Dots1982
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People just like to give out about Brady. His left foot for crossing is a decent tool. Stuck his penalty away in Slovakia and was the one I had no worries about missing. He’s a good footballer, but I think he’s collecting a wage at burnley and in a comfort zone at club level. You say that putting away chances is out problem but I think creating chances in quick succession is a big problem aswell, our chances are always created 15-20 mins apart. We aren’t blitzing defence enough, we give them too much time to regroup and reorganize.
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bundy
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Right and what good is that to us?
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FrankosHereNow
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MayoMark
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It shows a clear improvement in one aspect of our game. That's a good thing surely?
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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9fingers
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Football is supposed to be played with the ball
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Terzino
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Once Kenny has a settled eleven, and we move the ball a bit quicker, I think that will be sorted. One of the interesting things to see in the future will be how we react to taking the lead. Normally we retreat after scoring a goal. If we continue to create chances, that will be a big change in the psychology of the team.
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bohsbrother
Joe Lapira Joined: 09 Oct 2020 Status: Offline Points: 11 |
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It's good to see the 2 sides here, the ones that style over the result and the ones that want the results no matter the style.
We have to take into consideration, our results were close to as bad with the hoof style football (We only beat the last ranked team in our group twice and the second last once and drew with them), at least in the recent past. We haven't been able to score from play on a regular basis in a LONG time and now we don't even have strikers that are great in the air for the hoof into the box, if we were to hoof it into the box we would still struggle to score. Separately, Kennys been cursed that our set piece takers haven't been able to hit duffys head or score a free kick. I'd expect the appointment of Kenny was done with the ambition of changing our style of play which would lead to results improving and less backs to the wall football so calling people "football snobs etc..." for saying the style has changed rapidly is ignoring one of the reasons that the manager came in. From my side it's still a huge work in progress but I see good improvement. With us not being at the Euros I'd hope we can play in a tournament with a few teams and play a few non-competitive games to try things out. I think Byrne would have got a run against Finland with a striker in front of him, with McGoldrick dropping deep it would nullify the effectiveness of Byrne. Horgan gives an option for what Kenny wants, he's direct and has the pace to worry defences. I think we can see why Maguire didn't get a run in Kennys Dundalk team and he won't get much of a look in his Ireland one either. Jury is out on the whole midfield, but we've found one or 2 players that will be the backbone of the team over the next number of years. Molumby, O'Shea and Connolly will only improve from playing games.
If Kenny has learned a few players that aren't good enough or suited to his style then the games have been worthwhile. Edited by bohsbrother - 15 Oct 2020 at 3:59pm |
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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I make no comment whatever on SK's suitability for the job, since I've really only seen brief highlights of your games. But possession is only ever a means to an end, not an end it itself. For example, when Villa thrashed Liverpool 7-2 the other week, they only had 30% possession. This was under a manager, Dean Smith, who made his name at Brentford playing passing, possession football. By contrast, when Spurs hammered Man U at OT the same day, they had 62% possession, under a manager renowned for teams which are happy to concede possession, defend deep and hit teams on the break. One of the greatest illustrations of the importance (or otherwise) of mere possession was seen when Chelsea, managed by Di Matteo, played Guardiola's Barcelona in a CL Semi-Final at home in 2012. They won 1-0 (Drogba), despite conceding 79.1% possession to Barca. Chelsea had 1 shot on target, 2 off target and 1 blocked. By contrast, Barca had 6 on target, 8 off target and 10 (TEN) blocked:
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MayoMark
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Correct, but a team who dominates the ball, more often than not, will increase their chances of winning. There will always be exceptions to that but they are in the minority of cases. We had a team who were chronically bad at keeping the ball and it made us ridiculously predictable (down to management orders, I should add). Any improvement in this regard is welcome.
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They finally did it man... They killed my f**kin' car...
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Left foot
Ray Houghton Joined: 16 Aug 2019 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Providing 2 examples of possession football doesn't translate to a win, villa vs Liverpool and man utd vs Tottenham is a very poor analysis.
Everyone agrees that you can win a game with 5% possession but if two teams played each other 50 times the win ratio would look more like 49-1 in favour of the team with the 95% possession Better teams control the ball.
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Last night you had 47% possession against a moderate team (ranked 56), 52% in Dublin. And barring a pretty awful Bulgaria, your other games have been similar. Of course it will take time for SK to transform the team, which probably means waiting for the youngsters to come through. But even assuming the FAI gives him that time, and the players are good enough, the big problem with youngsters is that they can lose heart if they are regularly getting beaten during the necessary transition period. I always think back to Sammy McIlroy's time in charge of NI. The players all liked him, he was always enthusiastic and tried to play an attacking brand of football, but in the end the players lost confidence in him, then in themselves. And bringing in new/young players (often to replace senior players who'd stopped turning up) made no difference either. By contrast, even when Michael O'Neill wasn't getting results in his early days, he never "lost the dressing room", primarily because the core of his team stuck with him. The crucial factor being that these were the senior guys like Davis, Evans, McAuley, Brunt and Hughes etc - the younger guys followed their lead.
Edited by Territorial - 15 Oct 2020 at 5:13pm |
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Bru
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Sammy McIlroys team would be around 2004/2005 ?? Most players now are coached a more technical style of football. Young or Old, they want to express themselves and the way you do that is with the ball...
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Sammy McIlroy was a pretty skilful player himself, a striker-turned-midfielder who learned his game during 11 years and 400 games at Old Trafford (the last player Sir Matt Busby signed for them, in fact). It wasn't his playing style or principles which hampered him, rather the players eventually concluded he simply wasn't up to the task. Meanwhile, he was succeeded by Lawrie Sanchez, who significantly improved the team using petty much the same players, but with a style of play which was more Jack Charlton than Pep Guardiola! Key to this transformation was David Healy, who as another Man U graduate, was a pretty technical player himself. Healy played all through the record-breaking goal drought under McIlroy (1,298 minutes!), but soon started breaking scoring records of the welcome sort under Sanchez.
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Territorial
Jack Charlton Joined: 25 Nov 2014 Status: Offline Points: 5817 |
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Nor did your examples prove anything in themselves either, which was my point.
... first, then do something constructive with it next. Which was my next point. It's like someone boasting that he posseses more books in his library than anyone else. It means nothing if he hasn't read them all, never mind understood them. And in any case, ROI's possession stats under SK haven't been anything to write home about, so far at least. Edited by Territorial - 15 Oct 2020 at 6:24pm |
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notpropaganda73
Liam Brady Joined: 17 Feb 2016 Location: Donegal Status: Offline Points: 1053 |
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I 100% agree with you, I want to see goals and results but I can see that there is a change of style happening so I'm not expecting things to happen overnight. What I get frustrated with is a run of poor results and people are saying to sack it all off, when jesus christ we have played horrible stuff for a long time and no results to show for that either. At least *try* something different and give it a chance. The fact you have to go back 4/5 years for the last time we had the right balance of sh*te football/good results is an indicator that maybe give the good football/bad results a little bit of time to see if those results can improve.
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notpropaganda73
Liam Brady Joined: 17 Feb 2016 Location: Donegal Status: Offline Points: 1053 |
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The frustrating part of this point for me is that had Hourihane or Browne put away their chances against Slovakia, nobody would be labouring this point. We have created chances with this style of play, we need to finish them.
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Claret Murph
Paul McGrath Hmmm, Goodness, I must say Joined: 16 Apr 2009 Location: Tibet Status: Offline Points: 15748 |
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You are so right NP as how many times have you heard someone saying fine margins , close to every weekend . The goal at Villa Park when playing Sheff Utd that was a goal and it kept Villa up and look at them at the moment . But if you keep falling on the wrong side of the line offten enough you lose your job . Football is about results , now i know lots on this thread think otherwise but that's what it comes down to . You are only as good as your last match also .
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notpropaganda73
Liam Brady Joined: 17 Feb 2016 Location: Donegal Status: Offline Points: 1053 |
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I agree with that as well in fairness, but I think it's only fair to give Kenny a fair crack at this before calling for his head. It seems to me the reactions to the last five games are way way OTT versus what has been happening on the pitch. If we get to this time next year and still no goals or wins then I'll be very worried, but I don't think that is likely.
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